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#1228121 - 07/04/06 08:47 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: FYS]
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1958 Topps # 5 Willie Mays

SGC 5.5 = $76
PSA 5 = $60

SGC 5.5
PSA 5

1959 Topps # 461 Mickey Mantle THRILLS

SGC 5 = $50.50
PSA 5 = $32.89
GAI 5.5 = $34

SGC 5
PSA 5
GAI 5.5

1958 Topps # 1 Ted Williams

SGC 5 = $123.61
PSA 5 = $112.50

SGC 5
PSA 5

1978 Topps #200 Walter Payton

SGC 8.5 = $19.05
PSA 8 = $9.99

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1971 Topps #55 Steve Carlton

SGC 7.5 = $14.99
PSA 7 = $10

SGC 7.5
PSA 7

1975 Topps #370 Tom Seaver

SGC 8.5 = $37.30
PSA 8 = $10.50

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

ROGER CLEMENS 1985 Topps #181

SGC 9 = $34
PSA 9 = $26.06

SGC 9
PSA 9

1960 Topps #343 SANDY KOUFAX

SGC 7 = $86
GAI 7 = $57.02

SGC 7
PSA 7

1965 TOPPS BOB CLEMENTE # 160

SGC 7.5 = $169.94
PSA 7 = $97

SGC 7.5
PSA 7

1984 - 1985 Topps STEVE YZERMAN Rookie

SGC 8 = $31
PSA 8 = $16.09

SGC 8
PSA 8

1975 TOPPS THURMAN MUNSON #20

SGC 8.5 = $43.01
PSA 8 = $20.51

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1975 TOPPS JOHNNY BENCH #260

SGC 8.5 = $38.30
PSA 8 = $15.50

SGC 8.5
PSA 8
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#1228122 - 07/04/06 08:55 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: vayank]
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FYS:

Thanks for posting these updates. I find myself checking back to see additions. Very interesting!




I have also found it to be very interesting. Some facts I have found the last month of pretty intensive following:

1. SGC has beaten PSA head to head more times than they have lost.
2. GAI and BVG are far behind SGC and PSA.
3. PSA collectors leave a significant amount of money on the table due to not having half grades.
4. SGC outperforms PSA regularly with vintage stars from Poor to Near Mint. There really is not much activity for major stars at the NM/MT and above level. These cards likely go to the auction houses or stick in collections.
5. SGC realized prices for modern are as good as PSA.
6. SGC high grade commons held their weight and even outperformed PSA in many cases. The gap in commons realized price is almost exclusively less than the crossover costs, which makes sense, living in a efficient economy.
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#1228123 - 07/04/06 09:01 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: Fabfrank]
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I looked at it akin to brainwashing. Say something (or print it) often enough, and people will believe it's the truth.
I was very active at this time buying graded cards from the 60's up till the 90's. In most cases the SGC card sold for a higher price than it's PSA and BGS equivalent. I wouldn't think twice about bidding more aggressively for the SGC card. The only caveat I would add is that SGC was a bit more lenient on centering, so I would need to see a scan of the card to gauge eye appeal.
SGC and PSA do a great job grading. Beckett used to, but I've seen too many instances where trimmed cards ended up in their holders. I just don't have faith in their product anymore.




The centering issue was valid for the old SGC flips. Since the flip has changed to the dual numbering system 96/9, the same centering standards as PSA are used. I do think the black border around the cards makes centering stand out a lot more that on other companies slabs. I think Jackstraw once wrote about the gasket contrast allowing the centering to pop out more. In any case, I agree.

Unless Beckett abandones price guides, I think that their conflict of interest will eventually even hurt their neophyte collector following.
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#1228124 - 07/04/06 09:03 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: IMeddie]
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Thanks. This is indeed great stuff! Keep 'em coming!




Will do, as long as people are getting enjoyment or education from it.
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#1228125 - 07/05/06 08:10 AM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: FYS]
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4. SGC outperforms PSA regularly with vintage stars from Poor to Near Mint. There really is not much activity for major stars at the NM/MT and above level. These cards likely go to the auction houses or stick in collections.
5. SGC realized prices for modern are as good as PSA.





I noticed in your comparisons that there was the most significant price differences between SGC and PSA in the lower mid-grade range. I would guees that SGC's holder gives a card better presentation and eye appeal, thus resulting in better price results.
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#1228126 - 07/05/06 08:19 AM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: Fabfrank]
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I noticed in your comparisons that there was the most significant price differences between SGC and PSA in the lower mid-grade range. I would guees that SGC's holder gives a card better presentation and eye appeal, thus resulting in better price results.




There is literally no comparisons for major star cards in NM/MT condition. I think I mentioned that these, for the most part, must go to auction houses or stay in colletions. I can say this, SGC is outperforming PSA in the PR to NM range without question. In fact, in the PR to EX/NM range, SGC really dominates. The dominance gap tightens somewhat in the NM range, but still exists.
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#1228127 - 07/07/06 02:42 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices (Head to Head). [Re: FYS]
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1986 Fleer Barry Bonds Rookie

SGC 9 = $23.99
PSA 9 = $19.56

SGC 9
PSA 9

1986-87 Michael Jordan Fleer Rookie

SGC 8.5 = $699.99
PSA 8 = $430.86

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1954 TOPPS #128 HANK AARON ROOKIE

SGC 5.5 = $695.88
PSA 5 = $591

SGC 5.5
PSA 5

1954 TOPPS #201 AL KALINE (HOF) ROOKIE

SGC 7.5 = $635
BVG 7.5 = $425

SGC 7.5
BVG 7.5

1954 TOPPS #99 BOB HOFMAN

SGC 7.5 = $41.69
PSA 7 = $24.25

SGC 7.5
PSA 7

1975 TOPPS DAVE WINFIELD #61

SGC 8.5 = $38.77
PSA 8 = $15.48

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1957 TOPPS GEORGE KELL #230

SGC 8.5 = $100
PSA 8 = $69.99

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1954 TOPPS #143 ROLLIE HEMSLEY

SGC 7 = $30.99
PSA 7 = $15.12

SGC 7
PSA 7

1969 Topps JOE NAMATH #100

SGC 7.5 = $58.55
PSA 7 = $31

SGC 7.5
PSA 7

1990 Fleer Emmitt Smith Rookie

SGC 9 = $8.50
BGS 9 = $7.99

SGC 9
BGS 9
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#1228128 - 07/12/06 01:03 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices (Head to Head). [Re: FYS]
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1982 TOPPS JOE MONTANA #488

SGC 7.5 = $8.50
PSA 8 = $3.15
BGS 8.5 = $6.49

SGC 7.5
PSA 8
BGS 8.5

1985 TOPPS DAN MARINO #314

SGC 8 = $10.40
PSA 8 = $3.84

SGC 8
PSA 8

1967 Topps Rico Petrocelli # 528

SGC 8 = $62.77
PSA 8 = $46.05

SGC 8
PSA 8

1967 Topps Twin Terrors # 334

SGC 8 = $22.99
PSA 8 = $17.50

SGC 8
PSA 8

1965 Topps #144 Ed Kranepool

SGC 8 = $14.99
PSA 8 = $11.82

SGC 8
PSA 8

1985 TOPPS MARK MCGWIRE RC #401

SGC 8 = $12.26
PSA 8 = $12.05

SGC 8
PSA 8

Ted Williams HOF 1958 Topps # 485

SGC 6 = $61
PSA 6 = $59

SGC 6
PSA 6

1956 Topps Jackie Robinson #30

SGC 6 = $149.28
PSA 6 = $118.50

SGC 6
PSA 6

1954 Topps Henry Aaron #128

SGC 4 = $454.99
PSA 4 = $405

SGC 4
PSA 4

1952 BOWMAN JACKIE JENSEN 161

SGC 7.5 = $52
PSA 7 = $36

SGC 7.5
PSA 7

1971 Topps Thurman Munson #5

SGC 6 = $61
PSA 6 = $26

SGC 6
PSA 6

2003 RYAN HOWARD BOWMAN CHROME

SGC 10 = $89.99
PSA 10 = $82
BGS Gem Mint = $80.99

SGC 10
PSA 10
BGS GEM

1973 Topps Mike Schmidt #615

SGC 8.5 = $371
PSA 8 = $203.83

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1970 Topps Tom Seaver #300

SGC 8.5 = $76
PSA 8 = $27

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1957 Topps Luis Aparicio

SGC 7 = $36
PSA 7 = $33.99

SGC 7
PSA 7

1957 Topps Frank Robinson #35

SGC 7 = $260.56
PSA 7 = $200.02

SGC 7
PSA 7

1963 Topps Ed Hobaugh #423

SGC 8.5 = $32.31
PSA 8 = $9.99

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1975 Topps Gary Carter Rookie #620

SGC 8.5 = $52.12
PSA 8 = $30

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1975 Topps George Brett Rookie #228

SGC 8 = $94.99
PSA 8 = $81.65

SGC 8
PSA 8

1957 Topps #135 Moose Skowron

SGC 7 = $32.32
PSA 7 = $20.50

SGC 7
PSA 7

1974 TOPPS WILLIE MCCOVEY #250

SGC 7 = $15.50
PSA 8 = $9.99

SGC 7
PSA 8

1962 TOPPS #288 BILLY WILLIAMS

SGC 7.5 = $39.01
PSA 7 = $21.99

SGC 7.5
PSA 7

1959 Topps # 461 Mickey Mantle THRILLS

SGC 6 = $61
PSA 6 = $52.56

SGC 6
PSA 6

1967 TOPPS NL RBI LEADERS AARON CLEMENTE #242

SGC 7 = $20.50
PSA 7 = $18.78

SGC 7
PSA 7

1969 Topps #50 Bob Clemente

SGC 8.5 = $237.50
PSA 8 = $96

SGC 8.5
PSA 8

1973 Topps Nolan Ryan #220

SGC 7.5 = $51
PSA 7 = $27.02

SGC 7.5
PSA 7

1958 TOPPS #1 TED WILLIAMS

SGC 6 = $215.50
PSA 6 = $214.50

SGC 6
PSA 6

1956 Topps # 292 Luis Aparicio

SGC 6 = $67.87
PSA 6 = $67

SGC 6
PSA 6

1954 Bowman #218 Preacher Roe

SGC 7 = $30.90
PSA 7 = $22.49

SGC 7
PSA 7
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#1228129 - 07/12/06 01:18 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices (Head to Head). [Re: FYS]
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1959 Topps # 461 Mickey Mantle THRILLS

SGC 6 = $61
PSA 6 = $52.56

With respect to the above example, this particular SGC 6 is a card one might have purchased, thinking it had a chance to cross to a higher grade. The centering is almost perfect and the corners look reasonably square in the scan. The PSA 6 was horribly off center and easily explains to me why it fetched a lower price.

It's no secret or mystery that star cards realize comparable prices and small differences can have many explanations (seller affinity, shipping cost differential, etc.), but the excruciatingly painful divergence is clearly found among common cards in 7 & 8 holders, at least in this collector's experience.

Only until the set registries find equal footing will this difference diminish.
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#1228130 - 07/12/06 01:46 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices (Head to Head). [Re: bbo]
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It's no secret or mystery that star cards realize comparable prices, but the excruciatingly painful divergence is clearly found among common cards in 7 & 8 holders, at least in this collector's experience.

Only until the set registries find equal footing will this difference diminish.




From my 1-1/2 months of pretty intense following, I have come across the following:

1. Not only are star cards comparible, but more often than not, SGC outperforms PSA.
2. The commons cards are becoming much closer in pricing. SGC is winning a lot more than I thought they would compared to general myths and perceptions. When PSA does sell for more, almost exclusively it is within the price is would cost to crack the card out and send it to PSA.
3. For whatever premium PSA may get on commons due to the number of registry participants, its loses a great deal more by not having half grades.
4. With about 7.5% of amount of set registries, SGC is outperforming PSA with half grades and star cards. I can not even imagine the prices SGC would realize with similar registry participation. SGC is a sleeping giant, that needs to continue with marketing efforts!!!

bbo,

Turn your private messaging on. I have a buyer (dice8082005) that owes me about $300 from a couple of auctions that ended about 18 days ago. I see from his feedback, you had to neg. him for not paying. Did that ever get sorted or did you ever get some kind of answer?


Edited by FYS (07/12/06 01:47 PM)
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