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#1228101 - 06/10/06 10:41 AM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: jackstraw]
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Why SGC is still using the 1 to 100 scale is beyond me? If I didn't know a thing about the grading scales and numbers I would have a better chance solving a chinese crossword puzzle.




I would assume they still use the scale because they feel keeping it outweighs the outcry they would hear if they were to drop it. Many collectors want to keep the flips consistent. A change could anger a lot of people. I think PSA has a similar dilimena on whether or not to use half grades. It would anger many people who have entire collections without 1/2 grade flips. This potential outcry, has kept them from going to half grades.

SGC had the chance to move completely over to the 1-10 scale when they decided to use the split scale. That would have been the time to do it, as they were already receiving pressure to use the split scale.

From a historical perspective, I believe SGC actually patented the 1-100 scale in order to do half grades. Not sure why they did not just do the half grades on the 1-10 scale to begin with. In any case, you have a historical decison for the company, which quite likely also plays in the reluctance to drop the 1-100 scale.

Finally, the 1-100 scale is pretty easy to get used.
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#1228102 - 06/10/06 11:32 AM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: Novocent]
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This is great stuff!

-Al




Glad you enjoy Al. There are so many general thoughts or myths regarding strenght of prices for different years or whether or not half grades make a difference etc. Also, whether actual realized prices between companies vary between mid grade and high grade cards. In any case, I just thought it would be very interesting to many people to put up real information.

I have only been doing mainstream cards from 1952 to present.
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#1228103 - 06/10/06 11:47 AM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: FYS]
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1993 Upper Deck SP Derek Jeter #279

SGC 88/8 = $36.55, Item number: 8822635105
BGS 8 = $36, Item number: 8820606811
BGS 8 = $34.99, Item number: 8822380173
PSA 8 = $34.33, Item number: 8816163157

SGC 88/8
BGS 8
BGS 8
PSA 8

1980 Topps Rickey Henderson

SGC 86/7.5 = $19.39, Item number: 8822419065
GAI 7.5 = $10.50, Item number: 8822199437

SGC 86/7.5
GAI 7.5

1981 Topps Larry Bird #4

SGC 88/8 = $11.11, Item number: 8822418112
PSA 8 = $9.51, Item number: 8822389919

SGC 88/8
PSA 8

1968 Topps Johnny Bench #247

SGC 88/8 = $200, Item number: 8823875109
PSA 8 = $167.58, tem number: 8816828421

SGC 88/8
PSA 8

1998 Leaf Rookies and Stars True Blue J.D. Drew

SGC 96/9 = $27.59, Item number: 8820679416
PSA 9 = $9.50, Item number: 8817002581

SGC 96/9
PSA 9

1996 Topps Chrome Allen Iverson #171

SGC 96/9 = $36, Item number: 8820679170
PSA 9 = $33.56, Item number: 8816962784

SGC 96/9
PSA 9

1994 SP Alex Rodriguez #15

SGC 92/8.5 = $72, Item number: 8820679011
PSA 8 = $59.05, Item number: 8817450148

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1993 Topps Traded Todd Helton #19T

SGC 96/9 = $10.09, Item number: 8820678958
PSA 9 = $9.99, Item number: 8818525525

SGC 96/9
PSA 9

1992 Topps Traded Nomar Garciaparra #39T

SGC 96/9 = $24.50, Item number: 8820678818
BGS 9 = $14.55, Item number: 8822408635
BGS 9 = $15.76, Item number: 8818431662

SGC 96/9
BGS 9
BGS 9

1988 Fleer Scottie Pippen #20

SGC 92/8.5 = $8.49, Item number: 8822332642
PSA 8 = $3, Item number: 8817894594

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1985 Topps Mario Lemieux RC #9

SGC 96/9 = $163.51, Item number: 8820675771
PSA 9 = $99.22, Item number: 8816164476

SGC 96/9
PSA 9

1979 Topps Ozzie Smith RC #116

SGC 84/7 = $25.99, Item number: 8820675263
PSA 7 = $21.51, Item number: 8820769333

SGC 84/7
PSA 7

1979 Topps Doug Williams RC #48

SGC 92/8.5 = $7.05, Item number: 8820675216
PSA 8 = $2.50, Item number: 8822653175

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1978 Topps John Stallworth RC #320

SGC 92/8.5 = $23.16, Item number: 8820675160
PSA 8 = $9.99, Item number: 8817712322

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1976 Topps Randy White RC #158

SGC 92/8.5 = $41, Item number: 8820674970
PSA 8 = $17.05, Item number: 8822172124

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8



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#1228104 - 06/10/06 02:21 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: FYS]
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Thanks. This is indeed great stuff! Keep 'em coming!
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#1228105 - 06/11/06 10:15 AM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: IMeddie]
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Boy, I sure would be upset if SGC switched from the 100-point scale. I really like it. I think it gives them the ability to differentiate further on the higher end of the scale, and also at the low end.

The 100-point scale is one of the things that attracted me to SGC in the first place.

As for the prices realized, FYS, it's great to see some concrete examples of SGC outperforming other companies in the 1950-present arena. We know SGC is strong in prewar but I've always thought the idea that SGC was a mistake for post-1950 cards was a myth. Sure, there are examples of SGC cards underperforming, but obviously there are plenty of examples of SGC's strength. It's nice to actually see a bunch of examples all in one place.

-Al

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#1228106 - 06/11/06 01:14 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: Novocent]
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1963 Fleer Warren Spahn

SGC 84/7 = $37, Item number: 8823170883
PSA 7 = $36.02, Item number: 8820257164

SGC 84/7
PSA 7

1957 Topps Frank Robinson RC #35

SGC 84/7 = $230.50, Item number: 8815264199
SGC 70/5.5 = $123.50, Item number: 8820672202
SGC 60/5 = $77, Item number: 8818295096
PSA 7 = $214.05, Item number: 8816312471
PSA 6 = $113.61, Item number: 8814668356
PSA 5 = $61.02, Item number: 8823438572
GAI 5 = $56, Item number: 8819625921

SGC 84/7
SGC 70/5.5
SGC 60/5
PSA 7
PSA 6
PSA 5
GAI 5



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#1228107 - 06/14/06 11:06 AM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: Novocent]
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As for the prices realized, FYS, it's great to see some concrete examples of SGC outperforming other companies in the 1950-present arena. We know SGC is strong in prewar but I've always thought the idea that SGC was a mistake for post-1950 cards was a myth. Sure, there are examples of SGC cards underperforming, but obviously there are plenty of examples of SGC's strength.


Ironically when I first started collecting graded cards vs. raw (around 1998/99), SGC commanded stronger prices than PSA across the board. Vintage, pre-war. modern in most cases the SGC card would close at a stronger price than it's PSA equivalent. I've posted elsewhere what happened next but in a nutshell, Beckett screwed SGC. Beckett started tracking graded cards prices in their price guides, but started breaking out SGC from BGS and PSA cards and claimed that SGC didn't garner the same prices as BGS and PSA. IMO, by manipulating the price guide Beckett was able to prop up their product, not offend the big dog (PSA) and bury their competition (SGC).
I buy mostly PSA cards for my set registry, but have many SGC cards in my collection that I would never cross over. I have crossed over SGC cards for my PSA registry and in EVERY case the card crossed at the same grade or better.

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#1228108 - 06/15/06 03:21 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: Fabfrank]
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Ironically when I first started collecting graded cards vs. raw (around 1998/99), SGC commanded stronger prices than PSA across the board. Vintage, pre-war. modern in most cases the SGC card would close at a stronger price than it's PSA equivalent. I've posted elsewhere what happened next but in a nutshell, Beckett screwed SGC. Beckett started tracking graded cards prices in their price guides, but started breaking out SGC from BGS and PSA cards and claimed that SGC didn't garner the same prices as BGS and PSA. IMO, by manipulating the price guide Beckett was able to prop up their product, not offend the big dog (PSA) and bury their competition (SGC).
I buy mostly PSA cards for my set registry, but have many SGC cards in my collection that I would never cross over. I have crossed over SGC cards for my PSA registry and in EVERY case the card crossed at the same grade or better.




Very good point. I am extremely surprised that Beckett has had sucess with such a conflict of interest in their price guides.
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#1228109 - 06/15/06 03:40 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: FYS]
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Phil Rizzuto 1954 Topps #17

SGC 40/3 = $19.95, Item number: 8825636278
BVG 3.5 = $14.09, Item number: 8817414274

SGC 40/3
BVG 3.5

1967 Topps ROD CAREW ROOKIE

SGC 80/6 = $159.16, Item number: 8825611774
SGC 70/5.5 = $112.50, Item number: 8820937346
PSA 6 = $112.60, Item number: 8820673531
PSA 6 = $107.50, Item number: 8819411997

SGC 80/6
SGC 70/5.5
PSA 6
PSA 6
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#1228110 - 06/15/06 08:56 PM Re: SGC Realized Prices. [Re: FYS]
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1965 Topps #526 Catfish Hunder

SGC 92/8.5 = $202, Item number: 8825126033
PSA 8 = $105.05, Item number: 8823944734

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1956 Topps #15 Ernie Banks
SGC 40/3 = $22.50, Item number: 8824114079
BVG 4 = $21.55. Item number: 8820708685

SGC 40/3
BVG 4

JOHN STALLWORTH 1978 TOPPS

SGC 92/8.5 = $20.50
PSA 9 = $20.50
PSA 8 = $6.56

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 9
PSA 8

1972 Topps #600 Al Kaline

SGC 92/8.5 = $59
PSA 8 = $30.99

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1962 Topps #537 Cleveland Indians

SGC 96/9 = $93.90
PSA 9 = $79

SGC 96/9
PSA 9

Topps #558 John Goryl

SGC 92/8.5 = $28.11
PSA 8 = $15.50

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1962 Topps #557 Bob Anderson

SGC 92/8.5 = $41.06
PSA 8 = $32.99

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1989 KEN GRIFFEY, JR. UPPER DECK #1

SGC 88/8 = $17.06
PSA 8 = $15
BGS 8 = $15.61

SGC 88/8
PSA 8
BGS 8

1965 Topps #514 Joe Azcue

SGC 96/9 = $32.02
PSA 9 = $26

SGC 96/9
PSA 9

1965 Topps #502 Don Cardwell

SGC 92/8.5 = $24.51
PSA 8 = $12.50

SGC 92/8.5
PSA 8

1959 TOPPS #149 JIM BUNNING

SGC 86/7.5 = $27.50
PSA 7 = $17.10

SGC 86/7.5
PSA 7

1955 TOPPS #123 SANDY KOUFAX

SGC 84/7 = $750
PSA 7 = $716.69

SGC 84/7
SPA 7

1955 Topps Ted Williams #2

SGC 84/7 = $424.23
PSA 7 = $416.02

SGC 84/7
PSA 7
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