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#1365504 - 09/12/06 09:52 AM Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade)
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I'm new to the sports card forum so bear with me. I've been doing some research on the best card grading companies yada yada yada. I don't want to get into that debate again. However, I would like advice from collectors out there. See, from what I've seen, it looks like many of you on here send in raw cards to be graded. I'm not sure I have the time or energy or knowledge to hunt down raw cards to be graded.

What I do want are older Packers cards (starting to collect going backward from 1980) in mint(ish) condition. I also want to have my entire collection to be housed in the same type holder (all PSA or all SGC or whatever) for consistency.

So, here's the delimna. SGC seems to be the graders of choice, however, finding Packers cards on ebay graded by SGC seems difficult (based on one or two searches). I can find some in PSA in the grade I like, and thus start a collection, but I'm not sure availability should be what makes me choose a company.

Maybe I've just answered my own question...or maybe I don't know what my question is. I just hesitate to start buying PSA, but SGC looks like it could be forever before I find any of the cards I want for sale. Heck, maybe I just need to do more research...

Thoughts?

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#1365505 - 09/12/06 12:42 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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I hear you. Completing sets in SGC holders will take a looooooong time. There are just flat out a dearth of cards already graded by SGC (in the years I collect) compared to PSA. Heck, they're pushing 10 million over there (or so they claim). It's like the number of burgers McDonald's has served. (After a couple of thousand, you begin to ask yourself, "Do I really want another one?")

Here are your choices, based on my experience.

1) Find a raw source (probably not eBay if you truly want mint(ish) cards. Try hobby stores, weekend shows, bigger regional shows or save up your money for the National. Be picky at first, but submit a few to see how good of an eye you have.

2) Buy already-graded PSA cards and crack 'em out for submission to SGC. Don't get into bidding wars or you'll burn out fast. Pick up the low hanging fruit and stay within a budget.

I've done pretty well on both counts, so I'm confident it can be done. Finally, don't give up until you run out of money. Our hobby needs you.
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#1365506 - 09/12/06 12:52 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: bbo]
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Thanks, bbo.

How easy is it to crack 'em out of PSA holders?

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#1365507 - 09/12/06 03:35 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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Good advice from bbo. Also, depending how big your budget is, the SGC Packer cards that do pop up, may be enough to take care of your budget?
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#1365508 - 09/12/06 04:07 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: FYS]
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Right now, my budget is tiny. I need to get my feet wet. So I doubt any one card will burst my budget...well, if I test the waters. Who knows if I can resist.

Keep in mind I want to get commons, too, so I'm not even sure I'd be doing too much SGC stuff for the time being.

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#1365509 - 09/12/06 04:37 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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Right now, my budget is tiny. I need to get my feet wet. So I doubt any one card will burst my budget...well, if I test the waters. Who knows if I can resist.

Keep in mind I want to get commons, too, so I'm not even sure I'd be doing too much SGC stuff for the time being.




If your budget is tiny, then the smaller selection of SGC slabs should not be that big of a deal.
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#1365510 - 09/12/06 04:41 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: FYS]
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The below may be a good link for you to bookmark. There is usually not too many, so it is easy to look through the whole list, as many people will not list Packers in the description. Just within the first few items for sale is a Reggie White USFL rookie card. I do not know if you only collect players in a Green Bay uniform? Hope it helps.

SGC Graded Football Cards on eBay


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#1365511 - 09/12/06 05:58 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: FYS]
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Thanks for the link. I only collect Topps, and only Packers (in unis). But I'll keep looking. I'm just really, really, really jonesin' to buy.
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#1365512 - 09/13/06 05:16 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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Now I have to debate between paying more for 10s or just sticking with 9s. Good grief, this is a lot to think about.
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#1365513 - 09/13/06 05:29 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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Quote:

Now I have to debate between paying more for 10s or just sticking with 9s. Good grief, this is a lot to think about.





In my opinion you should stick with the 9s. Three reasons:

1) You say your budget is tiny. 10s can cost you as there is a greater chance
of a bidding war on those cards.

2) And to me even more important is that I find that 10s can be over-rated.
8s and 9s are fine and in most cases look just as nice as the 10 grade. At
a fraction of the cost you are still getting nm/mt or mint cards. In most
cases I would bet if you covered the grade up on the holders you might not
even be able to tell the difference between the different cards.

3)If you chase the 10 grade you might find yourself passing up on some nice
cards too. It might make the chase less enjoyable and frustrating along the
way.

Save your money would be my advice and shoot for the 8s and 9s. You
won't be disappointed!

Good luck!

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#1365514 - 09/13/06 06:14 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: aconte]
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I agree with Aconte on avoiding the 10s.

To your other question:

I made the decision to build my HOF set in SGC holders. Shortly after that, I began collecting a T205 set, and now I'm starting an E91 set, also in SGC holders.

Restricting myself to buying only cards already in SGC holders would be VERY frustrating. It's tough enough to wait for the right card to come around in the grade I want - waiting for it to come around in the right holder would KILL me, as I am not a very patient person.

I buy the card I want - if it's in an SGC holder, great. If it's raw, or in a PSA holder, that's fine too. Sometimes I'll even buy it in a Global holder, if I can't find the card any other way.

Then, I just accumulate the cards. Once I have 15 or 20 of them, I send 'em in to SGC. It costs $7 to cross over a card. That's not expensive by any means - it's the lowest-priced grading tier on SGC's price list. Paying an extra $7 to get it in the holder I want is about as painless as it can be. Doing this assures me that I'm getting the card in the grade I want, and then getting it in the holder I want as well. Sometimes the card comes back in a lower-grade holder, but in my case, I'm more concerned with having accurately-graded cards than I am with having HIGH-graded cards. I want the card in the RIGHT holder, not in the highest one.

Good luck!

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#1365515 - 09/13/06 10:49 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Novocent]
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Great information, guys. Thanks a lot. I've decided to stick with 9s. And to get my feet wet, I'm sticking with players I loved as a kid. They won't be expensive since we're talking early 80s football Packers. But I'll figure it all out before I move on to the Starrs and Hornungs.

One thing I need to learn more about is this crossover thing. I'm assuming that means just taking the graded cards and sending them to SGC. Do I take 'em out of the holder first?

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#1365516 - 09/13/06 12:17 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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Quote:

Do I take 'em out of the holder first?





Probably Not. Leave them in the holder and submit them through the crossover service.
You can decide if you want a minimum grade or crack and grade. This is up
to you. The risks you take of cracking the card out include damaging the
card or not getting it graded by SGC (doesn't usually happen but it could).


If the card is a lower dollar card you could crack it out of the other company's
holder carefully and submit yourself. Your risk financially would be small.

Good luck!

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#1365517 - 09/13/06 01:15 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: aconte]
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The $7 crossover service involves leaving the card in the holder. As Tony states, you can request a minimum grade, and if the card doesn't meet your minimum grade they leave it in the holder it's in. That's a good way to protect your investment.

Personally I crack most cards out before submitting. But that's just a matter of personal preference.

-Al

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#1365518 - 09/13/06 02:33 PM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Novocent]
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Don't waste your time on the 10's.

When you get to the age of some of us on this board, 8's and 9's look like 10's anyway, to the naked eye.

PSA holders are the easiest to crack, IMO. A well-placed flat head screwdriver and a flick of the wrist. Some require you to "balance" the holder on its edge on a towel, then tap with a hammer to get it started. Then just wiggle the flat head around the slab, keeping everything flat on the work surface. If you tend to be too aggressive, be sure to wear goggles. Sometimes the chips will fly.

Be sure to save up all the old PSA flips and send them back in. Not so they update their pop reports (maybe they do and maybe they don't). Sending the flips back sends them the message, "Hey, another PSA card has been crossed to a competitor."
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#1365519 - 09/14/06 06:47 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: bbo]
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Wow, that was easy. Busted my cherry last night and it was like letting the flood gates open. Ended up winning several PSA 9 Packers cards last night on the bay. I even compared the images when there were multiple auctions up.

Yeee haw. I'm no longer a graded card virgin.

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#1365520 - 09/14/06 07:21 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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Wow, that was easy. Busted my cherry last night and it was like letting the flood gates open. Ended up winning several PSA 9 Packers cards last night on the bay. I even compared the images when there were multiple auctions up.

Yeee haw. I'm no longer a graded card virgin.




Congratulations. Hope it becomes a long and fun journey. Have to post some before (PSA slab) and after (SGC slab) pictures for a cross over comparison.
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#1365521 - 09/14/06 08:31 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: Powajemes]
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That was a bit more graphic than I need to hear. I guess saving yourself for marriage to a raw invoice submission was out of the question.
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#1365522 - 09/14/06 09:07 AM Re: Newbie alert: buying pre-graded cards (instead of sending in for grade) [Re: bbo]
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Hahaha. Yeah, but just think. I get to bust my raw submission cherry too. I have lots of 'em.

But yeah, I'll be adding pics along the way. Should be fun. But damn, I still have my eye on that 10. Must resist...must resist.

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