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#154888 - 07/04/03 08:29 AM My submission
Vintagedeputy
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Hi all,

Just getting ready to send my latest submission in to SGC. These are all cards that I will be adding to the registry when they return. I decided to send these 14 and next to them I put what I think they will get as far as grades. I could be way off but one can always hope.

1) 1933 Goudey Roy Johnson # 8 - SGC 40

2) 1952 Berk Ross Ralph Kiner - SGC 40

3) 1958 Topps Robin Roberts # 90 - SGC 50

4) 1961 Topps Duke Snider #443 - SGC 60

5) 1962 Topps Bobby Layne # 127 - SGC 50

6) 1968 Topps Rocky Colavito # 99 - SGC 80

7) 1968 Topps Joe Morgan # 144 - SGC 80

8) 1968 Topps Brooks Robinson A.S. # 365 - SGC 80

9) 1957 Topps Fran Rogel # 27 - SGC 60

10) 1970 Topps Brooks Robinson #230 - SGC 80

11) 1970 Topps Len Dawson # 1 - SGC 70

12) 1959 Topps Orlando Cepeda # 390 currently a BVG 8, hoping for at least an SGC 86

13) 1967 Topps Don Sutton # 445 currently graded a BVG 7.5, hoping for at least an SGC 84

14) 1965 Topps Joe Morgan # 16, card was not graded previously by SGC due to being "miscut". Sending it in for a second opinion.

On the earlier year cards, I think my estimates are pretty fair. I tried to shoot low in my estimates on the 1968's and 1970's. I think they'll do ok though.

Wish me luck!

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#154889 - 07/04/03 11:58 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Predicitng grades? Courageous man. Dropping off #14, the miscut, let's set an over and under for the deputy.

The over/under is 9. 9 is a push. Do I have any takers? How mcu do you trust the deputy? LOL
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#154890 - 07/05/03 08:02 AM Re: My submission [Re: vayank]
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VaYank - I think I might have to take a turn and make a bet myself! Gambling, of course being legal in Va. if the house doesn't take a cut, .

I think my estimates were fair and in some cases low but I've been known to be way off, so I'm going to let the experts decide.

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#154891 - 07/11/03 05:20 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Finally got around to mailing the cards out yesterday (7/10). 2 day shipping puts them there on Saturday and 20 days to grade. Let the count down begin!
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#154892 - 07/21/03 08:39 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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SGC has listed my cards as having arrived as of the 15th. Anticipated shipping date is the 31st. I'm hoping that they are a little ahead of schedule and that I can see the grades soon. I'm not a patient person, . Can't wait for them to return!
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#154893 - 07/21/03 11:34 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Your previous post said you asked for 20-day turnover time. You say SGC received your cards on July 15th with an anticipated ship date of July 31st. How are you receiving that kind of quick turnover time? I have a 20 day turnover time submission in to SGC that they received on June 30th, and they have posted an anticipated ship date of August 4th. That's 25 business days from receipt. Any idea what's going on?
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#154894 - 07/21/03 10:52 PM Re: My submission [Re: strider]
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I thought I was getting a 20 day turnover time but apparently I'm in the "10 day set registry special" window of time. I must have qualified for the shorter time or perhaps someone made a date error along the way. I'll keep you advised if I hear anything different.
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#154895 - 07/22/03 05:30 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Unfortunately, I do not think SGC is running ahead of schedule. I have a 10 card submission that is about 2 weeks past its estimated shipping date. Hoping to get the grades within the next day or two.
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#154896 - 07/22/03 04:57 PM Re: My submission [Re: wrigleyfield]
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My card grades were posted today by SGC - should have the cards by the weekend. Here are the results of my 10 card 1971 baseball crossover submission:

1 PSA 8 crossed to SGC 92
5 PSA 8s crossed to SGC 88
1 PSA 8 crossed to SGC 86
3 PSA 9s crossed to SGC 96

I examine all cards under 10 power magnification before sending them in for crossover - and for the most part only send cards that I think have a good shot at crossing over without a grade reduction.
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#154897 - 07/22/03 05:25 PM Re: My submission [Re: wrigleyfield]
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Quote:

for the most part only send cards that I think have a good shot at crossing over without a grade reduction.




Yea, I say so! 10 cards submitted: 8 crossed straight. One up, one down. Pretty darn good!

Congrats!
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#154898 - 07/22/03 06:35 PM Re: My submission [Re: wrigleyfield]
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Excellent results - congrats.
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#154899 - 07/23/03 08:33 AM Re: My submission [Re: wrigleyfield]
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wriglefield,

Excellent job on the crossovers! Which were the 10 that you sent?

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#154900 - 07/23/03 04:52 PM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Here are the cards I sent - no stars.

#142 Mack Jones SGC 88
#156 Bart Johnson SGC 88
#158 Jerry Reuss SGC 86
#171 Bobby Wine SGC 88
#176 Rookie Stars Red Sox Montgomery, Griffin SGC 88
#680 Don Mincher SGC 92
#748 John Purdin SGC 88
#238 Chuck Dobson SGC 96
#299 Ed Kirkpatrick SGC 96
#562 Dave Giusti SGC 96

45 cards to go for a complete registry set and 47 cards to go for a complete set with all 9 variations (currently have 7 in SGC holders with one more soon to be sent for grading). SGC does not include variations on the registry.
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#154901 - 07/28/03 08:10 AM Re: My submission [Re: wrigleyfield]
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Well, today is 7/28 and the ship date on my invoices still shows 7/31.......we're getting closer and I'm getting more antsy as the days draw near........c'mon, post those grades!
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#154902 - 07/28/03 08:14 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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VintageDep,

I am in a similar situation -- a large submission of mine (198 cards) is scheduled to ship on 8/1. This one should take me to ninety-few percent completion on my '68 set. My fingers are aching from being double crossed for so long. I have a feeling that the National may impact turn-arounds in a not-so-good direction...but am still checking the invoice hourly!

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#154903 - 07/28/03 09:12 AM Re: My submission [Re: srs1a]
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I'm hoping that since my submission went in before the National, they should have a good jump on it. Although, I do have another small group of cards that I'd like to send out in a week or 2.........turnaround might be a lot longer.
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#154904 - 07/28/03 02:20 PM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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I think that the problem is that both of our submissions were in Parsippany when a good number of the SGC folks were in Atlantic City for the National. I would expect that their normal TAT would suffer in cases like this.

No matter, I can wait. I think it is a good sign when they push their TATs....if a submission would come back too early, I'd worry about how busy they were. If the folks at SCG are busy, then I am happy!


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#154905 - 07/29/03 08:24 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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To All Concerned

As I am also waiting on a 146 card order which had an estimated shipping date of tomorrow, I sent an email to SGC looking for a guestimate as to the real date as I assumed the National would impact this.

First of all let me give kudos to SGC for answering my email within 30 minutes!!! Let's see you get that service from PSA.

Secondly, I was informed that my order will just be pushed back by the number of business days that they spent at the National (3). Can't say all of your orders will be similarly impacted but that's a good guess.

Ron
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#154906 - 07/29/03 09:10 AM Re: My submission [Re: njdolphins]
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NJdolphins-

Thanks for the info. I'm not surprised that they responded in 30 minutes as SGC's customer service has impressed me more and more from day one. When did you send your order in? Mine was received on July 15th and its a small order (14 cards) so I'm hoping that they will be close to the ship date of July 31st. I'm very anxious to get the cards into the registry and I'm looking forward to submitting my next small order. Did they update your estimated ship date on your invoice after telling you about the 3 day extension?

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#154907 - 07/29/03 10:08 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Vintage

My order was received on June 30th with an expected ship date of July 30th. They have not changed the online system and didn't indicate to me whether or not they would (I didn't explicitly ask).

Good luck with your submission.

Regards

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#154908 - 07/29/03 12:55 PM Re: My submission [Re: njdolphins]
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Ron, looks like we are right on top of eachother -- mine was received on 7/2, scheduled to ship 8/1...198 cards.

VintageDep, my experience is that the ship date will not be updated. If you read the explanation, it says that it is only an estimated date and may be impacted by things such as holidays, shows, weather, etc.

Here's to good luck to all 3 of us!


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#154909 - 07/29/03 08:32 PM Re: My 1954 Red Man submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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I recently decided to have my personal set of 1954 Red Mans graded. I sent in 56 cards on 7/14 and expect grades by 7/30, if I'm real lucky. I brought 13 of the star cards from the set to the National and received some nice results. One SGC 96 (Kluszewski ). five SGC 88s (Kell-Chic, Philley-Phil, Ford, Berra, Snider), five SGC 86s (Kell-Bos, Mele-Chic, Rizzuto, Campy, Reese), and two SGC 84s (Slaughter, Hodges). The 86s look like 88s and the 88s like 92s, but you know how tough these guys are!! Very consistent results, though. I am pleased . I'm hoping for similar results with the semi-stars and commons. Hope the National doesn't delay the results for too many days. I'll be taking pictures of these cards and placing them in the registry by the end of August. I believe the set superiority for this 1954 set will come in at around a 88 to 89.

Edited by mrredman (07/29/03 08:34 PM)

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#154910 - 07/30/03 09:34 AM Re: My 1954 Red Man submission [Re: mrredman]
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mrredman,
I hope that you and aconte had a few cold beverages in AC and discussed this...otherwise, it is looking like a rumble at the top of the '54 redman registry!

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#154911 - 07/30/03 01:48 PM Re: My 1954 Red Man submission [Re: srs1a]
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Aconte's 1954 set is really amazing considering he has only been at it for a couple of years. I have had the opportunity to collect them for the past 21 years. You would expect the 18-year head start I had should be reflected in the results of the set.

I showed aconte my list of 1954s at AC and I believe his comment was "you are going to blow me away". I haven't seen any of the 56 cards I just sent in, but the set already contains two 98s, five 96s, thirteen 92s, and fifteen 88s. I may be lucky and have a set with a superiority in the 90s.

Can't wait for those 56 cards to be returned!! As always, Aconte will have first crack at my extras.

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#154912 - 07/31/03 07:50 AM Re: My 1954 Red Man submission [Re: mrredman]
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mrredman,

Thanks for the compliments and giving me 1st crack on your extras!

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#154913 - 07/31/03 08:14 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Emailed SGC today as its my estimated shipping date and they said that my cards would go out today or tomorrow. They even replied to my email in an hour and a half. These guys are awesome!
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#154914 - 08/04/03 10:46 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Just an FYI. Although SGC expected to get my cards out last Thurs or Fri, I heard from them today that the cards are shipping today. Not sure if this will impact you similarly.

Regards

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#154915 - 08/04/03 10:53 AM Re: My submission [Re: njdolphins]
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I called SGC today and they said that my cards shipped on Friday so I shoudl have them today. They even read me off my grades since they're were only 13 cards.
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#154916 - 08/04/03 11:03 AM Re: My submission [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Allright then VintageDep...how did you do on your predictions? Inquiring minds want to know
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#154917 - 08/04/03 11:59 AM Re: My submission [Re: srs1a]
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Guys, I noticed the online invoice status report page is back up and running again.....
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#154918 - 08/04/03 09:55 PM My grades are in! [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Alright guys, after much waiting, here they are. I think I did fairly well in predicting where I was going to end up. Cards should arrive Tuesday and will hit the registry shortly thereafter. I copied my original post with my anticipated grades and the actual grades follow to the right.

1) 1933 Goudey Roy Johnson # 8 - SGC 40 .......SGC 30

2) 1952 Berk Ross Ralph Kiner - SGC 40 ..........SGC 50

3) 1958 Topps Robin Roberts # 90 - SGC 50 ......SGC 50

4) 1961 Topps Duke Snider #443 - SGC 60 ........SGC 60

5) 1962 Topps Bobby Layne # 127 - SGC 50 ......SGC 70

6) 1968 Topps Rocky Colavito # 99 - SGC 80 .....SGC 84

7) 1968 Topps Joe Morgan # 144 - SGC 80 ........SGC 60

8) 1968 Topps Brooks Robinson A.S. # 365 - SGC 80 ..SGC 80

9) 1957 Topps Fran Rogel # 27 - SGC 60 ..........SGC 84

10) 1970 Topps Brooks Robinson #230 - SGC 80 ......SGC 80

11) 1970 Topps Len Dawson # 1 - SGC 70 ...............SGC 80

12) 1959 Topps Orlando Cepeda # 390 currently a BVG 8, hoping for at least an SGC 86 ..........................SGC 88

13) 1967 Topps Don Sutton # 445 currently graded a BVG 7.5, hoping for at least an SGC 84 ..............0, minimum grade not met.

14) 1965 Topps Joe Morgan # 16, card was not graded previously by SGC due to being "miscut". Sending it in for a second opinion..........not even mentioned on the online invoice, must have not been graded again due to the factory cut.

All in all, I think I was right on the money. The Berk Ross Kiner card was a pleasant surprise due to the centering that is typical on those cards. I was hoping that the '33 Goudey Johnson card would have hit the 40 mark but it had a slight flaw which knocked it down. The '62 Bobby Layne was also a nice surprise since I figured the black borders would have killed a decent grade.
I'm anxious to see why the 68 Morgan graded 2 below what I thought it would get. The biggest disappointment has to be the 67 Sutton. The razor edges and snow white borders on the old big eared 300 game winner looked way better than the 7.5 that BVG gave it. I guess I'll resubmit with a lower grade expectation. Hopefully the card will detail what it would have gotten had I not specified a minimum grade.

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#154919 - 08/05/03 06:29 AM Re: My grades are in! [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Excellent eye VintageDep!

Too bad on the '68 Morgan. I'm pretty familiar with SGC's grading of '68's. As you know, the burlap design actually hides corner damage (to the naked eye, anyway). SGC seems to be very critical of corners on '68's...my experience says more so than PSA. They also seem to really whack you if you have marginal centering coupled with some corner wear. I did some experimentation in an early invoice where I included 2 cards that I thought might slide into a nmint holder...both came back as 80's. In both cases, I thought that the corner wear was consistent with a low-end nmint card, as was the centering...but the combination landed me in exmt city.

Nice one on the Cepeda!

My invoice is supposed to ship tonight or tomorrow

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#154920 - 08/05/03 08:23 AM Re: My grades are in! [Re: srs1a]
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I'm thinking that the '68 Morgan dipped due to the corners being touched and the slighest amount of T/B centering difference. I thought it was definitely an 80. All in all, I was pleased and surprised by some of the grades.
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#154921 - 08/05/03 09:23 AM Cards arrived this afternoon! [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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Cert numbers have been added to the registry, pending Site administrator's approval. Pics to be added in the next day or so.
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