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#167501 - 07/28/03 04:08 AM How was National?
vayank
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..... ? Was it better than ever?!
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#167502 - 07/28/03 06:27 PM Re: How was National? [Re: vayank]
bcornell
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National was so-so... I spent 2 days walking the floor and didn't see much pre-WWI stuff that I was looking for. Of course, we all have our own vices, and maybe someone else with different interests can chip in here.

I did get to meet both aconte and MW and was suitably impressed. SGC had their own setup and seemed to be doing fine. PSA and GAI had much larger booths, but from the little I saw on the blue rug in the middle of the floor, none of the grading companies had to fight off a crowd. There were plenty (i.e., a lot) of SGC cards at different tables, contrary to some recent opinions. One piece of advice re: GAI - I wouldn't stand still too long in one place or you'll wind up in plastic with a "1st graded" sticker on you - those guys will grade *anything" inanimate.

Worth the trip to AC, certainly, although I don't think I'd venture to Cleveland for the same show.

Bill

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#167503 - 07/28/03 07:20 PM Re: How was National? [Re: bcornell]
MW1
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First, who I met. I met aconte, bcornell, tegelar, wolfbear (from the CU forum), thebobs, Dan McKee, Elliot (the Net54 forum moderator/dictator), Kevin Cummings (from the Net54 forum), John Dreker (also from the Net54 forum), many friends and customers whom I have seen at many Nationals over the years and a few more new faces that I'm sure I'm forgetting. Everyone was great! Bill (bcornell) showed me the T222s he had picked up at the show and Tony (aconte) showed me his meticulous lists of Red Man tobacco cards.

I was genuinely surprised by the number of SGC graded vintage sports cards at the show. I think in a previous post I wrote that there would be about a dozen different dealers who carried quantities of SGC graded cards. The actual number was much higher than that. Another interesting phenomenon was the way that customers reacted to SGC graded cards. At last year's National, I would frequently hear the question -- "Why didn't you get it graded by PSA?" This year, not one person asked me that. In fact, the hobby acceptance of SGC at the show was nothing short of astounding. SGC sales were very strong for us -- even PSA collectors and one of the most visible PSA Set Registry members purchased numerous SGC graded cards from me.

With some scattered exceptions, the general selection of pre-1960 sports cards at the show was down from past Nationals, but that's nothing new...that has been the general trend over the past 5 years. On the bright side, however, the selection of 1970s cards, particularly those in high grades seemed to be as strong as ever. The show was very professionally run....I only wish it could be in Chicago every year so that I could drive and bring more material.

More details & thoughts about the National forthcoming...

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#167504 - 07/28/03 07:38 PM Re: How was National? [Re: MW1]
ledsters
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Thanks MW1 for the national update. Me being in San Diego, I don't think I'll ever make a national until Anaheim. See any good 1977 Topps Mexican???? I'm still waiting to hear how the Mike Webster comes back.

Ledsters

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#167505 - 07/28/03 08:45 PM Re: How was National? [Re: ledsters]
vayank
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Well, I truly regret not making it this year, since I am not that far away (3 hours). But hey - given a choice between Lancaster County with my wife or AC with you SGC guys -- well, the wife will win everytime!!!!
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#167506 - 07/28/03 09:44 PM Re: How was National? [Re: vayank]
tegelaar
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I had a fun time but with mixed results. I really wanted a 56 Clemente that I could cross over to the good guys holder, but the selection available was mostly 8 and 9's that were over priced. The 7's I saw looked kind of bad - mostly issues with the corners. Still, I picked up some 56 commons/semi's in PSA 6/7 that I will cross over. This certainly isn't a show where you will find bargains.. It's more like if you have a lot of money to spend, everything is available and you can inspect it. Seeing 707 sportscards case filled with graded mantles was cool. Also seeing the Gretzky Mcnall T206 Wagner.. all in all a lot of fun.

The size of the show is quite enormous. I didn't arrive until the weekend and the 2 days were not enough to really see everything. Many helpfull dealers and it was nice to talk to people in person for a change.

Besides the show, me and my buddy had a great time in AC - The Borgata is an excellent hotel and if anyone is headed there they are highly recommended. It was more like Vegas than AC.

Still up in the air about next year - Cleveland is a little further and a little less exciting for me. If I do go for it, I will spend the whole week and make sure I see and enjoy everything.


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#167507 - 07/29/03 06:15 AM Re: How was National? [Re: MW1]
aconte
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Hello All!

Sorry I can not post long. I had a great time at my 1st National.

I enjoyed meeting so many collectors. I met so many. I really enjoyed
meeting 'mrredman' 'thebobs' 'bcornell, 'crashtestalex', "The SGC gang"
and Elliot from the network54
board. He seems to be a funny. I was excited to meet MW1 and Brian
of BMW Sportscards. These guys are great! They have awesome
cards and great personalities. I waited a long time to meet these
guys and it was worth it.

I'll post more when my vacation is over next week. It is hard to think with
my wife breathing down my neck at the cyber-cafe I'm at.

Oh.. How could I forget. I also met 'ball4cards.' A great guy. He has
an awesome collection. Some of it was on display at the Sgc booth.
I'll try to post photos in a week or so.

Thanks to Sean for letting me photo some sweet cards.

Talk again soon!

And Michael thanks for the redman cards. Great prices. Again, it was
a pleasure meeting you and Brian (and your folks) at your booth. Thanks
for letting me take some photos too!

aconte
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#167508 - 07/29/03 04:57 PM Re: How was National? [Re: bcornell]
wrigleyfield
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Quote:

One piece of advice re: GAI - I wouldn't stand still too long in one place or you'll wind up in plastic with a "1st graded" sticker on you - those guys will grade *anything" inanimate.




I had the same observation at this year's Sportsfest in Chicago. I watched two GAI graders and neither one of them put a single card under magnification. It is not clear to me what a collector is paying for when sending cards to GAI since the cards do not appear to be carefully examined.

What is the point of the "1st graded" notation. Who cares whether it is the first or 28th one graded? No value is added to a card that is the first one graded. Another marketing ploy with no significance.
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#167509 - 08/01/03 06:52 AM Re: How was National? [Re: wrigleyfield]
KLL
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I had a great time at the National. Picked up a couple SGC 96 commons from the early 1960's including a 1961 high number. I did alright at the casino tables too.
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