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#1991958 - 12/10/09 05:00 AM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: Irwin Fletcher]
Brian C
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I look forward to the results. It has been my experience with both TPG's that they tend to frown on cards submitted for crossover in the other companies slab. Call it pride or a desire to appear tougher than the other guy but when they have the other TPG's opinion in front of them they will rarely say the card is better than the other guy did. They will usually either agree or downgrade. My opinion. When you post results like this I think it is important to say how the cards were submitted. Slabbed for crossover or cracked and submitted. I only crack and submit now. Too many failures the other way for me.
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#1991990 - 12/11/09 11:41 AM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: Brian C]
Irwin Fletcher
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I mentioned a few posts ago that I had four more 1933 Goudey crossovers pending at SGC. Here are the results, which are, unfortunately, pretty consistent with the last batch:

1933 Goudey
#173 Holm - PSA 4 ---> SGC 40
#180 Moore - PSA 3 ---> SGC 40
#210 Davis - PSA 4 ---> SGC 40
#212 Urbanski - PSA 4 ---> SGC 40

So, for the last batch, one stayed the same and three were downgraded by 1 grade. Like the last batch, these four were submitted in their original PSA slabs.

While this affirms my previous conclusion that I am going to stop buying PSA 3 and 4 Goudeys for crossover to my VG-VG/EX SGC Registry Set, I should share some of the blame with PSA. As I mentioned previously, being new to the vintage card thing a few months ago, I often bought the holder and didn't look close enough at the actual card. For example, in this batch, the #212 Urbanski was not a great card, with a blurry image and a stain on one of the borders. Had I taken a closer look, I would have probably passed on it. Luckily, all of these cards were minor purchases and it's been a good learning experience.

I've learned that crossovers are unpredictable and that the best way for me to build my SGC Registry Set going forward is to buy raw, SGC, or PSA 5 or higher.

On the bright side, there were great results in the rest of my submission, which consisted of raw '33 Goudeys from the recent PWCC set break on eBay. The seller did an excellent job of anticipating the graded condition of the cards and I came away with some great bargains.

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#1991992 - 12/11/09 12:37 PM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: Irwin Fletcher]
VANSLYKEFAN18
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Irwin, you are making me step up my 1933 Goudey registry game!! I see you creeping up the registry every day, I think that is awesome. I just put all my SGC 10, 20 and 30 cards on ebay knocking me back to 49%, but I wanted to have a strict SGC 40 cut off (sans the SGC 10 Bengough which I eventually replace).

As always good luck in your quest!!

Rob

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#1991993 - 12/11/09 01:10 PM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: VANSLYKEFAN18]
Irwin Fletcher
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Rob,

Thanks - I've been making some progress, but I've still got quite a ways to go to catch up to you.

The order that I picked up today at SGC gave me a boost since the #19 Dickey, #25 Waner, and #134 Rice that I bought raw all graded out at SGC 50. I haven't made many more recent purchases though, so my movement on the Registry will be slowing down a bit.

I'm with you - I recently decided to implement an SGC 40 cutoff as well, so I'll also be putting up a few on eBay this weekend. I'm going to keep my SGC 30 Bengough and SGC 20 #188 Hornsby, though, for budgetary reasons. Upgrades on those two will be years away.

Best of luck with the set!

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#1991994 - 12/11/09 01:15 PM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: Irwin Fletcher]
VANSLYKEFAN18
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Yea I totally hear you on the upgrades. Besides the Bengough I have an SGC 30 Grove, and a couple other HOFers I will wait until I upgrade.

Way to score on the raw submissions; SGC 50 for those HOFers is incredible!!

Keep me up to date with your progress and I will do the same.

Rob

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#1992100 - 12/15/09 05:44 PM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: VANSLYKEFAN18]
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Interesting results Irwin and Brian.

I've crossed a few mid-grade T206's from PSA to SGC (7 in total) and have not had the best luck. My results are pretty similar to Irwin's. I'm of the opinion that SGC is overly strict on 4's (50's) and overly broad with 3's (40's).

My results follow:

PSA-5 --> SGC-60 1 card, Evers Portrait -- I thought I might get a half grade bump, but no dice.
PSA-4 --> SGC-50 1 card -- Tinker portrait
PSA-4 --> SGC-40 1 card -- Clark portrait, I think PSA was right
PSA3.5 --> SGC-40 2 cards -- Walsh and Flick -- no way a PSA3.5 has a prayer of crossing to a SGC-50 IMO
PSA3 -- > SGC-40 2 cards -- Bender and J. Collins


The cards are here, if you care to take a peek.


T206 basic HOFers

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#1992102 - 12/15/09 07:07 PM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: srs1a]
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Great cards Scott!

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#1992138 - 12/17/09 08:27 AM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: srs1a]
Brian C
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 Originally Posted By: srs1a
Interesting results Irwin and Brian.

I've crossed a few mid-grade T206's from PSA to SGC (7 in total) and have not had the best luck. My results are pretty similar to Irwin's. I'm of the opinion that SGC is overly strict on 4's (50's) and overly broad with 3's (40's).

My results follow:

PSA-5 --> SGC-60 1 card, Evers Portrait -- I thought I might get a half grade bump, but no dice.
PSA-4 --> SGC-50 1 card -- Tinker portrait
PSA-4 --> SGC-40 1 card -- Clark portrait, I think PSA was right
PSA3.5 --> SGC-40 2 cards -- Walsh and Flick -- no way a PSA3.5 has a prayer of crossing to a SGC-50 IMO
PSA3 -- > SGC-40 2 cards -- Bender and J. Collins


The cards are here, if you care to take a peek.


T206 basic HOFers


Were these crossed in slabs or craced and re-submitted? The grades don't look bad to me.

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#1992153 - 12/17/09 05:33 PM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: Brian C]
srs1a
Old, dense-headed hammers are cool. Best nail pounders.


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I don't know Brian, I consider the results pretty poor - not a single bump and 3/7 went down. I was expecting the PSA3.5 --> SGC-40s since SGC doesnt have that half grade and they weren't 50 material. I guess I can't really complain because I bid on them as if they were straight 3's. In this grade range, I don't think the half grade is valued very much, if at all.

All the crosses were in the slab, except for Clark. He went in a PSA-4 slab the 1st time and didn't cross....so I cracked him out and re-subbed...he came back in a SGC-40 holder. I still think this card would look fine in SGC-50 holder.


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#1992154 - 12/17/09 05:39 PM Re: I'm done with lower grade Goudey PSAs! [Re: srs1a]
SMtJoy
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The Clarke is my favorite T206!

I will have to say I think they got it right, its very close, to me it just looks like too much corner wear for a 50, plus the bottom right corner looks like it might have a slight bend.

Great card anyway!

Heres mine lol-

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