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#1998952 - 12/30/10 12:41 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: Danny]
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Brian, I am really having a problem with the grading by SGC. I have submitted cards every month since April with moderate agreement of the grading, but the last batch of cards I sent this month is totally unacceptable. I handpicked 8 of these card and with a magnifying glass went over them . No creases, with moderately sharp corners and all with gloss . & of the 8 were graded SGC 50. How do I go about appealing this grade.
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#1998953 - 12/30/10 12:55 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: cammb]
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Welcome aboard. Sorry to hear about your experience. SGC is just as good or better than any grading company except for centering issues. Your cards evidently have some imperceptable technical flaws. Quite a coincidence that this happened to eight cards. Did you get all eight from the same source?
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#1998954 - 12/30/10 02:16 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: cammb]
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THE CARDS IN QUESTION ARE ALL 1952 TOPPS GARNERED FROM DIFFERENT PLACES. What gets me is I am grading these at ex/nm and they are coming back vg/ex. What does an ex/mt card look like from sgc? I am frustrated because I am not a novice and have been collecting for many years and these grades , to me , are not justified. I appreciate the SGC standards but they are not grading to their own stated standards as to what a card in ex should grade. Their standards between a 60 and a 50 is centering and these cards fit at least a 60.
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#1998955 - 12/30/10 02:49 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: cammb]
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I've got 1 1952 EX-MT, the corners are better than the scan shows ( I'm horrible with the scanner).

Post a few pics of your slabbed cards and maybe we can be of more help.




Edited by meatheadjerry (12/30/10 02:51 PM)

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#1998956 - 12/30/10 05:06 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: cammb]
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If they're all dropping from 80 to 50, then there has to be surface wrinkles, front and/or back that you're missing.
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#1998957 - 12/30/10 08:43 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: bbo]
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Sorry to hear that, post some scans so we can judge too.
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#1998958 - 12/31/10 03:07 AM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: SMtJoy]
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My experience has also been that whnever I was shocked to have a card come back as a 50 - there was always a surface wrinkle issue. Albeit I had to really magnify a bunch to find them. (got a 55 Robinson that I just knew was an 84 come back as a 50 - ouch)
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#1998965 - 12/31/10 11:37 AM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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Hi Cammb,

Without seeing the cards in question, I would almost guarantee that there are hidden creases or wrinkles in your cards. It's not uncommon for the stock of 52 Topps to hide these so that they're not immediately visible unless looked at under the right conditions. A magnifying glass is not the best way to look at the cards, though it will help pick up certain flaws. In order to see what the graders are seeing, I'd recommend getting a halogen lamp and a dark room. You'd be shocked at what you can see under those conditions.

I'd really recommend trying to replicate the grading environment to see if you can pick up the flaws. You can always send the cards back to SGC, in their holders, with your next order or on their own for an explanation. The graders will circle the crease or wrinkle or imperfection that causes the grade.

A card will not arbitrarily be graded a 50--there is always a reason. As I mentioned earlier, most commonly it is a crease or several wrinkles. It may be that someone pressed out a creases leaving a depressed area on the card in which case SGC 50 is the highest grade.

You can sometimes argue a half grade here or there, but whenever the grade is off by a few levels, there's usually a hidden flaw. At least two graders review every card prior to it shipping back to you, so if it was an error, someone would have caught it.

If you have any other questions, please let me know.

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#1998978 - 12/31/10 07:02 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: Brian]
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Thanks for all the responses. Posting a scan of these cards would not help because they would all look great. I dont know what Im missing but I,ll stick with SGC for awhile longer. I got about 50 more 1952s that need grading and will probably resubmit to PSA. I think they are a little more lenient in their grading. I just neede this forum to blow off some steam and frustration. Thanks.
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#1998990 - 01/01/11 03:20 PM Re: Submission FAQs [Re: cammb]
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 Originally Posted By: cammb
I got about 50 more 1952s that need grading and will probably resubmit to PSA. I think they are a little more lenient in their grading.


I think you're just a grading newbie and don't know what you're looking for.

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