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#1999122 - 01/17/11 09:13 AM R. Stuckemeyer
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Does anyone know whether the SGC sets from Randy Stuckemeyer will be auctioned off by his heirs? I actually worked with Randy on the 1961-62 Fleer basketball set, trading and selling cards. I haven't heard anything recently about plans to sell that set or his many other highly graded SGC registry sets.
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#1999123 - 01/17/11 09:14 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Eaglerun]
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I believe Brian D has contacts with Randy's family, he might be able to provide some insight...
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#1999124 - 01/17/11 11:17 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: oneofthree67]
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A few months ago, I sent an email to the address on file. His son(?) responded almost immediately that they planned to liquidate his sets using an unnamed auction house. It is such a massive collection, I can only imagine how daunting the task might be.
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#1999125 - 01/17/11 08:14 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bbo]
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As mentioned, the collection is expansive and liquidating it would take years. Anyone interested in specific pieces of the collection can feel free to PM me details, and I can try to be a liasion between you and the family. There are certain items that will not be sold, I believe, but I can field inquiries and see if I can help.

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#1999130 - 01/18/11 07:52 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Brian]
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Brian,
Last July I contacted the email address on the registry set and heard from a person named Karson. I inquired about the 1961-62 Fleer basketball set (an SGC registry set I collect) and he responded that the set was to be eventually auctioned by Heritage Auctions but he would entertain offers for specific cards. I sent in some offers and he responded that he would pass. There was no counter-offers. I feel the offers were fair because I have since bought 2 of the cards on ebay for less than my offer. Anyway, it would be some much easier if he could supply a price list for the cards in the set rather than my guessing on an offer that may be acceptable. I realize there are a ton of sets for the family to go through but any help you could be regarding this set would be appreciated. I did sell Randy 4 cards he has in the set, mainly SGC 96s when I was only collecting 88s and 92s. I would now also be interested in 96s. Thanks for your help.
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#1999131 - 01/18/11 12:48 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Eaglerun]
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I dealt with this Karson in person.After he removed all the low population cards, which was fine by me, im not much on paying way above SMR anyway.The SMR on the rest was 6100.00 with Irvin being the only star.He asked me 5 grand & i offered 4200.00 cash.This pissed him off & he said he wouldnt sell anything then.This is who they have in charge of selling these sets ? It was like an 8 yr old boy taking his bat & ball home,& stopping the game,because he got mad.
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#1999132 - 01/18/11 01:57 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: goldenhawk]
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I've dealt with Karson several times and found him to be courteous and accommodating. While I have no knowledge of the specific event outlined above, it is important to stress that it is not a firesale when it comes to breaking up the collection. Anyone is welcome to make offers of whatever amount they like, but the estate (led by Karson) is acting in the best interest of the collection and the heirs. They are getting competitive offers for cards on a weekly basis and consign a number of cards to major auctions with great results. They are not in a hurry to sell, so I can see why they rejected a 60% of SMR offer.
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#1999133 - 01/18/11 06:50 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Brian]
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That was 70 % of SMR.
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#1999134 - 01/18/11 07:13 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: goldenhawk]
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Isn't there a better indicator of SGC prices than SMR. Perhaps VCP?
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#1999135 - 01/18/11 07:33 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: brick]
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I always use VCP for an idea. Only bad thing is there is not a lot of data on SGC slabs as they don't sell as often as PSA. I always try and buy SGC cards for under PSA VCP prices, then I get a BETTER card for LESS money.
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#1999136 - 01/18/11 07:45 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: CowboyFaninAR]
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 Originally Posted By: CowboyFaninAR
I always use VCP for an idea. Only bad thing is there is not a lot of data on SGC slabs as they don't sell as often as PSA. I always try and buy SGC cards for under PSA VCP prices, then I get a BETTER card for LESS money.


I couldn't agree more...

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#1999137 - 01/18/11 08:27 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: CowboyFaninAR]
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He had every right to not accept my offer.I have used car lots,i turn down offers all the time but i dont tell the guy im not ever selling him a car because he wouldnt give me what i wanted on that car.He knew that i had a 265,000.00 CD coming due & that i wanted to buy BB cards with most of that because of the low interest that Cds r getting at this time.Is that really helping the heirs by eliminating buyers ? When Eaglerun made him an offer,he didnt try to negotiate a price ? What im saying is this is not the guy who needs to be in charge of a collection like this one.I have bought all but 4 of the cards since at about 50% of SMR,,so he actually saved me 1200.00 by not selling them to me at what i offered.Maybe i should say thanks Karson.
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#1999231 - 01/23/11 08:43 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: goldenhawk]
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Karson sounds like an idiot....
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#1999235 - 01/24/11 08:46 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bobbyw8469]
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I have heard Karson is a fair person...
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#1999239 - 01/24/11 10:16 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: oneofthree67]
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yeah at least he didnt sell me the cards keep the best then give me a partial refund.
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#1999245 - 01/24/11 05:37 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: goldenhawk]
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There are two sides to every story Sir... It is sad that you feel you can label people on this site. Stick to the subject thread.
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#1999247 - 01/24/11 07:44 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: oneofthree67]
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The truth is the truth.
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#1999265 - 01/26/11 01:48 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: goldenhawk]
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...ain't that the truth....
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#1999277 - 01/27/11 07:42 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bobbyw8469]
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Sometimes the truth doesn't hurt. It's just embarassing.
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#1999295 - 01/28/11 04:10 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: brick]
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Since I started this thread, I'd like to give an update. Shortly after posting on this forum, I sent Karson another offer for 7 cards (4 SGC-96 and 3 SGC-92) from the 1961-62 Fleer basketball set in order to upgrade my SGC registry set. I made a fair offer of 85% of the most recent PSA SMR price guide. After not getting a response for around 4 days, I heard from Karson who accepted my offer. The great part about these cards is that all 7 are the only ones in that grade on the SGC population report so I was not going to be able to get them elsewhere. After I sent out the cashiers check, I got a call from Karson to discuss delivery and the removal of these cards from the Stuckemeyer registry set so I can add the cards to mine once I received them. I must so that he was cordial, polite, and cooperative and I won't hesitate making another offer when I get some extra money to spend. I realize that my starting this thread brought out some negative remarks about Karson so perhaps this posting will balance out the impression of him a little bit.
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#1999297 - 01/28/11 04:24 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Eaglerun]
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Thanks for posting the update, good to hear you guys worked something out and it went smooth.
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#2000320 - 05/04/11 11:08 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bobbyw8469]
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its the tooth too
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#2000590 - 05/16/11 11:19 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Eaglerun]
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I've had a potential deal in the works for about three weeks. I was working with Karson who answers the email address on Mr. Stuckemeyer's Registry sets.

It was a strange process from the get-go.

He asked me to send him a list of the cards I was interested in and a price I was willing to pay. [Sight unseen, BTW.]

I sent the list and after researching the VCP prices for all 85 cards, included prices very much in line with market value.

He responded by saying he would send me an invoice. When I asked for scans, he refused. The invoice required a Cashier's Check and an "All sales are final" notation at the bottom of the page.

I finally convinced him to scan the top 12 cards by dollar value. He first belittled my "offer" saying it wasn't close to SMR. He didn't seem to be all that aware of VCP and market pricing.

After about a week, he finally sent me a scan of one of the cards, a very fuzzy, low quality scan that showed an off-centered 88.

Needless to say, the deal was called off. Draw your own conclusions.
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#2000591 - 05/16/11 11:23 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bbo]
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I have read through this thread several times and have no idea who any of the named people are...but from what BBO just posted, it sounds like the cards in this collection is owned(or being controlled) by someone who is only concerned about grades and not the actual card that is inside the holder!
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#2000599 - 05/16/11 01:15 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bbo]
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Nice to hear from you Mike!
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#2000601 - 05/16/11 01:55 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: EARLSWORLD]
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This is just a plain ole example why a pig farmer don't run Ford Motor Company. The person here obviously uneducated to card values, card conditions (low-hi grades within a grade), market trends or the Hobby itself. He is like most non collecting people who reach for the SMR with high demanding expectations to get whatever he sees printed on the page. He has no attachment to what it is, no perception to any market history and is mindful of one thing...getting a price that is unrealistic and not reflecting current market values. You can see sellers like this at every show moving from dealer table to dealer table with the same unchanging spiel usually quoting verbatim what the card sells for according to SMR. I know the guy handling the Stuckemeyer collection is not a collector and probably cares less about the Hobby but has a job to do. However, he would do himself a great favor and those who would be dealing with him by becoming more educated about card values and Hobby norms and expectations. Courtesy and understanding go a long way in this business! I can't even believe you considered making a deal site unseen bbo. I think pulling the plug on the deal might have been a smart thing to do.



Gee, Earl, I don't know where to start with your assinine comments.

First of all, he told me that he is a card collector and that is how he met Stuckemeyer. So your assumption is wrong. Now, he may be lacking the experience that Randy, me or even you(?) have, but he's not the idiot you paint him to be in your post.

Secondly, he is not a dealer. He's doing this (responding to email inquiries) as a favor to the family. Personally, I think he's over his head as the collection is massive. He's probably not getting paid anything for his time and efforts.

Thirdly, how I do deals may surprise you, seeing as how you absolutely obsessed over a $29 deal I sent your way, along with my actual original invoice, causing me to finally tell you to send me what you thought it was worth, just to be done with it. (Thanks for the "generous" $15...I only lost $14 on the deal with you! That's the last time I shop for specific cards for your list.)

Finally, he pulled the plug, not me, when he realized he didn't have the time or expertise to scan the cards, or perhaps realized many of the cards on my list were in poor condition-for-the-grade SGC holders. Which we all know can be the case with older SGC slabs.

I guess you're trying to chime in here for the "team" but really Earl, you just went down a notch or two in my mind.
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#2000602 - 05/16/11 03:18 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bbo]
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Wow, bbo! Thanks! You always have a new way of surprising me...but you did say read between the lines didn't you? And personally from the slant on your post I took it to mean exactly what I wrote. I guess trying to show support to you as a collector or gain insight from your experience is obviously an asinine thing to ever do. My bad..don't worry that mistake will never happen again. What I said was based on my interpretation of what you wrote and simply my opinion. If I was wrong so be it. However, you always have a way of lashing out at others here when what they say doesn't jive with what you feel or believe. It's not always what you say, but the way you say it. As far as losing anything in your book about me, sorry you feel that way, but it certainly isn't going to change who I am. Sorry you didn't like my post.
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#2000604 - 05/16/11 03:30 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: EARLSWORLD]
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 Originally Posted By: EARLSWORLD
...but you did say read between the lines didn't you?


Show me where I wrote that?

"Draw your own conclusions" doesn't mean post out of ignorance. Maybe you should take your fingers off the keyboard and not try to chime in on every thread you read when you have nothing relevant to say.

The thread is about individual experiences with the seller of a large SGC collection. If you have no such experience, post with some measure of restraint so you don't show all of your ignorance at once.
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#2000605 - 05/16/11 03:37 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bbo]
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#2000621 - 05/17/11 09:25 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: EARLSWORLD]
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Can't we all just get along?
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#2000632 - 05/17/11 06:17 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bobbyw8469]
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 Originally Posted By: bobbyw8469
Can't we all just get along?


I agree...........

We should all be talking about the hobby we love & not about trivial things.
We all have bigger issues to worry about, such as gas being almost $5 a gallon here in Hawaii. \:\(
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#2000637 - 05/17/11 08:15 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Cardz4Me]
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Now that's funny: dude living in Hawaii complaining about the price of gasoline. How far do you have to drive, buddy? It's an ISLAND. Not to mention, unlimited fresh seafood, bikini-clad babes year around, perfect weather nearly every day.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
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#2000677 - 05/19/11 07:43 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bbo]
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When I pass away, I want Karson to help liquidate my collection. It sounds like he knows what he is doing. Except all my SGC cards. They are all trimmed in the holders, and I don't want anybody to be "stuck" with them.....
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#2000688 - 05/19/11 09:21 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bobbyw8469]
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 Originally Posted By: bobbyw8469
When I pass away, I want Karson to help liquidate my collection. It sounds like he knows what he is doing. Except all my SGC cards. They are all trimmed in the holders, and I don't want anybody to be "stuck" with them.....


Another SGC bash from King Douchebag
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#2000694 - 05/20/11 03:43 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bobbyw8469]
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Karson wouldn't last 30 days on eBay. No scans (or poor ones), hidden reserve pricing, no return policy, slow to respond.

Bobbyw, you(presumably) have lasted more than 30 days on eBay. But from the threads I read today, methinks your days of "Wonderful Life on eBay" could be numbered. That would good.

Funny thing, Bobbyw, but on this very thread on 1/23/11 you posted the following, and I quote,

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Karson sounds like an idiot....


Now you want to do business with him? What does that say about you?


Thanks, VTG. Good work.
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#2000701 - 05/20/11 04:56 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bbo]
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#2001755 - 07/17/11 01:59 PM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: bobbyw8469]
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I emailed about buying 10 cards from this collection & never did get a reply.Has any1 else had this problem ?
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#2001767 - 07/18/11 08:20 AM Re: R. Stuckemeyer [Re: Neil]
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He did reply & said the cards were not for sale at this time.
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