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#2002743 - 09/04/11 06:59 AM What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard)
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Hi,

My father recently found this and gave it to me. It looks almost brand new, even has gloss to it. Could this be a reprint? The gloss worries me. Do 100 year old postcards retain gloss or even have it to begin with? Looks like a very young Cobb in the middle there.

Just curious if these are commmon and exactly what it is.

http://home.comcast.net/~ynnek4/cobb.jpg

Thanks for any info.

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#2002751 - 09/04/11 07:10 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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ynnek4, first off glad to see ya on the boards brother. Im not sure if its a reprint or not. There are some very knowledgable Pre-War collectors out here on the boards whom may be able to answer that. ITs awsome never the less. Very Nice presentation!!!
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#2002759 - 09/04/11 11:49 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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I'm not familar with post cards, but you might want to ask the folks on Net54.

http://www.net54baseball.com

I would think that if it's glossy then it's probably a reprint, but I could be way off.
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#2002767 - 09/04/11 04:50 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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According to Ebay its listed as a 1907 H.M. TAYLOR DETROIT TIGERS TEAM POSTCARD TY COBB.

Ty Cobb Postcard


Edited by EARLSWORLD (09/04/11 04:56 PM)
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#2002768 - 09/04/11 04:52 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: EARLSWORLD]
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Earl can those be authenticated and holdered?
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#2002769 - 09/04/11 04:57 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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check out the link in my revised post
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#2002770 - 09/04/11 04:59 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: EARLSWORLD]
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Will do
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#2002771 - 09/04/11 05:00 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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Wow!! Very nice
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#2002774 - 09/04/11 06:03 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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Looking at the one Earl posted, the OP's appears to be a reprint. Just look at the backs.

The OP's:


The one from ebay:



Edited by vintagetoppsguy (09/04/11 06:04 PM)
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#2002775 - 09/04/11 06:08 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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David i think your right
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#2002786 - 09/05/11 06:56 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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thanks for the info everyone.

i actually found this link to the card i have. still not sure if its real but its exactly the same:

http://may10.hugginsandscott.com/pl/21154_jennings_cobb.jpg
http://may10.hugginsandscott.com/pl/21154a_jennings_cobb.jpg


Edited by ynnek4 (09/05/11 06:57 AM)

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#2002790 - 09/05/11 08:49 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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Something is fishy here. Here is the one Earl posted:


Here is the one the OP posted from Huggns and Scott (I cropped it):


The photos were taken at the same time, but they're definitely not identical. Just look at the guy in the front row, second from the right. In Earl's photo, the guy's arms are not crossed. It the H&S photo, the guy's arms are crossed. There are other differences too - even in the text.

How can SGC label both of these the same issue when clearly the post cards are not the same?


Edited by vintagetoppsguy (09/11/12 04:08 PM)
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#2002794 - 09/05/11 09:44 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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yep, the dog is looking another direction. weird!

 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
Something is fishy here. Here is the one Earl posted:


Here is the one the OP posted from Huggns and Scott (I cropped it):


The photos were taken at the same time, but they're definitely not identical. Just look at the guy in the front row, second from the right. In Earl's photo, the guy's arms are not crossed. It the H&S photo, the guy's arms are crossed. There are other differences too - even in the text.

How can SGC label both of these the same issue when clearly the post cards are not the same?

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#2002798 - 09/05/11 10:52 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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Hmmm... Im confused too
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#2002867 - 09/06/11 07:31 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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Post it over on net54 someone over there will know the difference maybe they were a different year each
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#2002876 - 09/07/11 09:24 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: SMtJoy]
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Based on the subtle differences in the poses of everyone in the two pictures, it sure seems like there are two variations of that postcard - neat discovery!

I would have no idea which variation is rarer (plain Detroit Club lettering vs. Detroit Club lettering with lines).

Like the others have said, the Net54 forum would be a good place to address this topic.

I would also bring it up to Bob Lemke (the editor for the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards) to see if he would be able to add that variation to the next addition of their catalog. I believe that he's a member here (id = aupt).
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#2002889 - 09/08/11 10:11 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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If you notice the photos are different. Old Carboard has the OPs listed as a legitimate Taylor.

http://www.oldcardboard.com/pc/pc773-2/pc773-2gal.asp

The slabbed photo is archived in the Boston Public Library

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/2350709494/in/set-72157604192772559

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#2003687 - 10/12/11 08:59 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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I am a vintage paper dealer. Both cards appear original; the other guy's postcard is a divided back postcard, most common from 1907 and thereafter. Your card is an undivided back postcard, most common between 1898 and 1906, but sometimes used for a few years thereafter until the paper stock with undivided backs was exhausted. The same team is pictured in two different years, and your card appears to be the older of the two cards. I recently sold a Nebraska farm team postcard similar to your own on Ebay. Yes--these cards are graded by at least one other grading service.
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#2003691 - 10/12/11 09:16 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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I am a postcard dealer. Your card is an undivided back postcard, most common up to 1906 when the divided back postcard (the other person's postcard) became common due to a change in postal regulations. Some companies continued to print cards on undivided back paper stock until they exhausted the old paper supplies. Your card shows the team in a different year than the other card; I think your card is the older of the two postcards. At least one other grading service will grade your postcard. I recently sold an ungraded Nebraska farm team postcard very similar to your postcard. They are great cross-over items for collectors.
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#2007645 - 04/27/12 07:53 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: jstars]
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is my postcard considered an "oversized" card? going to submit but need to know what to fill out on the submission form.

thanks in advance.

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#2007647 - 04/27/12 10:33 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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 Originally Posted By: ynnek4
is my postcard considered an "oversized" card? going to submit but need to know what to fill out on the submission form.

thanks in advance.


ynnek4,

Even though the postcard is bigger than a normal baseball card (2.5x3.5), it is not considered "oversized" - oversized cards are the types like T3's and R312's that go into the largest holder that SGC offers.

Your postcard will be slabbed in the medium-sized holder that is commonly called a "tall boy"...and will probably have to be submitted under the Express service since the value of the card is probably somewhere between $250-500.

Hope this helps!
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#2007648 - 04/27/12 10:38 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: purduepete]
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much appreciated!

 Originally Posted By: purduepete
 Originally Posted By: ynnek4
is my postcard considered an "oversized" card? going to submit but need to know what to fill out on the submission form.

thanks in advance.


ynnek4,

Even though the postcard is bigger than a normal baseball card (2.5x3.5), it is not considered "oversized" - oversized cards are the types like T3's and R312's that go into the largest holder that SGC offers.

Your postcard will be slabbed in the medium-sized holder that is commonly called a "tall boy"...and will probably have to be submitted under the Express service since the value of the card is probably somewhere between $250-500.

Hope this helps!

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#2007649 - 04/27/12 11:18 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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I think it should just fit in a tallboy slab so not oversized unless its larger than a normal postcard then its oversize
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#2007731 - 04/30/12 06:09 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: SMtJoy]
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thanks for all of the info.

i sent it off to sgc so we will see what happens.

i was curious though, did 100 year old postcards have a gloss/sheen to them? i have a postcard from the 1950-60s and it did have a sort of gloss to it.

makes me a bit nervous.

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#2007735 - 04/30/12 10:42 AM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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this one appears 100% identical to mine.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2909248063/in/set-72157607702362661


Edited by ynnek4 (04/30/12 10:42 AM)

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#2007749 - 04/30/12 01:46 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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on the submission status what does "not graded" mean. there are some grades assigned though.

maybe they are not done?

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#2007750 - 04/30/12 01:55 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: ynnek4]
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It means they are graded at this point but not posted as of yet on your submission. At this point i usually load them into my registry. What grade is it showing?

When the grades pop it typically is when it is also showed shipped.
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#2007758 - 04/30/12 05:05 PM Re: What do I have here? (Cobb Postcard) [Re: Blackie]
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thanks for the reply. here are the scores thus far. when i had a previous card graded it had a lot more scores/votes.

is this normal to have such low scores or are they in the process of grading it?

thanks.

 Originally Posted By: Blackie
It means they are graded at this point but not posted as of yet on your submission. At this point i usually load them into my registry. What grade is it showing?

When the grades pop it typically is when it is also showed shipped.


Edited by ynnek4 (05/03/12 07:36 AM)

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