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#2003297 - 09/21/11 05:32 PM Poppage with rant
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These 13 cards (all upgrades to my Registry set) are among my second group of cards acquired at the National. I have a third group that won't be sent to Parsippany. There were 30 cards on this invoice, yielding a 43% upgrade ratio for my set. I routinely hit 65% or more. Quite frankly, this sucks donkey balls. I find it troubling to say the least that SGC is now seemingly in lockstep with the PSA model: tighten up the grading standards to "encourage" more of the crack and resubmit game. Some of the 86's you see below are better than 88's graded less than a year ago. The 88's posted here would be 92's a year ago. Nuxhall & Schmidt are slam-dunk 92s. Sievers is a screaming travesty. I have a #242-Samford in 96 that is not as nice as the Sievers! Banks was a crossover, undergraded PSA 8 that is the poster child for Eye Appeal. The surface, focus, color and clarity alone demands it be in a 92 holder.

Way to go, SGC. Your still-wet-behind-the-ears graders have succeeded in letting the air out of my hobby balloon. It's not worth the trouble to spend the time and money to attend The National, scouring the floor for commons worth subbing, then to have this bull excrement thrown back in my face. This confirms my decision of six weeks ago to refrain from posting on this board to save from wasting my time. Now, I'll take a sabbatical from sending in cards so you can't waste anymore of my money either.

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#2003298 - 09/21/11 05:43 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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bbo where in the world have you been bro?? I missed hearing from ya!!!

The cards look great to me but im still rather new at large submissions and am not shooting for a high grade set. Let me get this right. You already had the cards loaded in your set and bought raw for upgrades?? or is it that you cracked and re-submitted hoping for higher grades?
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#2003300 - 09/21/11 06:24 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: Blackie]
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I think most of the grades look accurate. There may be one or two that could have got a 92 but I dont see the cards in hand or the card backs either. Are you shocked that the not so well centered didnt get higher grades? I for one am happy with tight grading standards. The tighter, the better. It's nice to know that if you buy a card, it has the best grade possible. Maybe your older ones are the ones graded less accurately? There are lots of ways you can look at grading standards. I just got a handful of 61s done that are absolute screamers but being objective, I know why they got sgc 88s and not higher.
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#2003301 - 09/21/11 06:29 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: yankeeno7]
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I will also say this...
what if you buy an SGC graded card for your set or collection and when you get it in hand, it doesnt look as good or you dont like the grade the card got. You cant have it both ways. You cant deny that SGC is more consistent. And I have both SGC and PSA in my collection. Im not high and mighty on any one company. I will say though that if I find two similar cards, one in a psa holder and the other in an SGC holder, and by pic they look the same, I'll buy the SGC because I dont think I'll find something more wrong with it later.

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#2003303 - 09/21/11 07:05 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: yankeeno7]
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BBO,

I'll miss hearing about your '59 set - I really enjoy the looks of that year!

Hopefully we'll see you back after your haitus.

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#2003305 - 09/21/11 08:16 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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More "junk" from the same invoice. 84 my azz.
These are all for sale at my raw cost, plus grading fee and shipping. Plus many more, same offer. Inquire if interested.

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Worst two of the bunch, correct at 84; had to be slabbed to protect the corners, which are MINT 96. Too bad about the centering. The two 86 cards at the bottom deserved better.
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#2003306 - 09/21/11 08:31 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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Difficult to tell by scans, but there are some in there that I would agree deserve a better grade than they received.
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#2003307 - 09/21/11 08:58 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: DrD]
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 Originally Posted By: DrD
Difficult to tell by scans, but there are some in there that I would agree deserve a better grade than they received.


I agree as well ive got 58 Sgc86's that are not as strong...
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#2003308 - 09/21/11 09:49 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: Blackie]
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Sorry things didnt turn out for you. No expert but to me for the most part they look to be graded correctly and none that look big time undergraded.

Just looking at the Slaughter and Alveraz, the centering just seems too far off for any kind of upgrade, I think they got what they should have. While hard to tell just from scans but I really dont see any that to me look like solid 96's, sorry I just dont see it, maybe one or two could have made a 92 but then I think one or two could be bumped down.

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#2003319 - 09/22/11 04:12 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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"I find it troubling to say the least that SGC is now seemingly in lockstep with the PSA model: tighten up the grading standards to "encourage" more of the crack and resubmit game."


Too bad you only upgarded 43% when you usually get 65%, but as far as PSA tighting up their grading standards...LOL, I don't see it.

The random under grade, yea, but overall, no way.

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#2003329 - 09/22/11 05:38 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: gaugman]
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Nothing to add but good luck with the 59's when you do decide to add to your world class set!

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#2003335 - 09/22/11 06:56 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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Inconsistentcy. Samford & Kline graded in 2009.


These graded this month. No way all three are just 88's, if the previous two made 96. Standards don't change. That's why they're called standards.
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#2003338 - 09/22/11 07:34 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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I agree 100% - ain't no way those are 88s even without comparison.
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#2003341 - 09/22/11 08:02 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: DrD]
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 Originally Posted By: DrD
I agree 100% - ain't no way those are 88s even without comparison.
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Second that!
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#2003342 - 09/22/11 08:16 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: DrD]
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Just playing devils advocate for a second, here is what I see-

Samford- overgraded you got lucky with that 96 maybe a 92 because of the OC

Kline- Card is a solid 96, much better than the samford, you look at them side by side and one was misgraded.

Sievers- solid card, nice color and centering, I would have prolly given it a 92, still does not look as sharp as the Kline because of bottom corners

Nuxhall- 88 at best, top left and bottom right corners do not look nearly as sharp as the other two corners, also looks like a smudge above the D in redlegs.

Thrills- not sure if there is a gum stain or print defect on the E in baseball is looks miscolored in the scan, if its on the slab then a 92 If not then 88 is correct

I feel for you on this BBO but its the main reason I stopped collecting high grade cards, the difference between a 92 and 88 is so small imo almost to the point of stupid. All the cards you posted look amazing and many would say collect them not the numbers on the slabs. Many years ago I switched to collecting vintage VG cards and I have been so much happier, all my cards have issues haha. It also let me pursue so many more great cards that I would not have been able to afford high grade copies.

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#2003343 - 09/22/11 08:33 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: SMtJoy]
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I feel the same way.... A few years back i was putting together a 1964 PSA graded set in 8 and 9's.... The difference is so insignificant. I was buying the holder not the card. Screw that sh/t im much more happy with nice SGC 60 Koufax at 105 dollars compared to twice that for an 88.... Justsayin

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#2003350 - 09/23/11 05:08 AM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: Blackie]
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As a collector there may be only very subtle differences between grades. As a seller there may be a huge difference in price. When one has much experience in picking raw cards and grading he should expect a certain consistency. A dealer in high grade cards is doing what he does best in selecting raw cards to submit, not buying a lottery ticket.
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#2003354 - 09/23/11 05:37 AM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: gaugman]
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bbo has a point. Look at those 84s. Half of them look 88 or higher.
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#2003355 - 09/23/11 05:38 AM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: Blackie]
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I second that, Blackie.

Edited by cammb (09/23/11 05:39 AM)

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#2003357 - 09/23/11 07:06 AM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: cammb]
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Brick is correct. I believe the issue here is consistency, or the lack thereof.
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#2003359 - 09/23/11 08:46 AM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: DrD]
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I have to agree with SGC, the Mint 9 ones look a touch sharper and better centered...The 88s have slight tilts and o/c
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#2003378 - 09/23/11 03:28 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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It's just impossible to tell from a scan. The cards are beautiful that's for sure.

Looking at the Sievers, bottom left of the card, just above the border,there seems to be a stain/printmark, some kind of blemish. Is it the scan? The card?

Above the i in Sievers, there seems to be some purple coloring.

Throughtout the red in the card there seems to be a lot of white marks/dots. Is it the scan because you blew the picture up?

Can't tell

Until you see the card in hand there is just no telling

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#2003950 - 11/14/11 02:00 PM Re: Poppage with rant [Re: bbo]
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pls email me with price for the stengel and any other hof ers you are not happy with... thanks ivan jivan13@optonline.net
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