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#2006605 - 03/07/12 08:48 AM new to grading cards
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For the last 7 years, I've slowly been building a collection of raw rookie cards. I've decided that I'm going to begin getting some of them graded with sgc. I have two questions:

1. I have a 68 nolan ryan rookie that I believe would easily grade out at 88 or higher if it was centered well. In reality though, the centering on front is about 90/10 top to bottom. Left to right looks 50/50 to me. Would you bother to get this graded, and how much do you think the centering will kill it?

2. I have a 1961 Ron Santo rookie that is pristine in my opinion, but after comparing it to my Billy Williams card from the same year, I found that the Santo card is about a millimeter shorter. I know that I didn't trim the card, but is this proof that it has been? I'm not that familiar with card sets pre 1970. Is it possible that it came from the factory like this?

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#2006606 - 03/07/12 09:00 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: hekeim]
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 Originally Posted By: hekeim
I have two questions:

1. I have a 68 nolan ryan rookie that I believe would easily grade out at 88 or higher if it was centered well. In reality though, the centering on front is about 90/10 top to bottom. Left to right looks 50/50 to me. Would you bother to get this graded, and how much do you think the centering will kill it?

2. I have a 1961 Ron Santo rookie that is pristine in my opinion, but after comparing it to my Billy Williams card from the same year, I found that the Santo card is about a millimeter shorter. I know that I didn't trim the card, but is this proof that it has been? I'm not that familiar with card sets pre 1970. Is it possible that it came from the factory like this?


Welcome to the boards. To answer your first question, if the Ryan would otherwise grade an 88, SGC will probably knock it down two grades due to the centering. That would make it an SGC 80 (6). Still worth grading IMO.

It's possible the Santo was just cut shorter. When in doubt, I take a few (about 5 or 6) cards of the same year and stack them together with the card in question. Then get a loupe (need good lighting) and look at the cut pattern of the group from all 4 sides. If the cut pattern on the Santo doesn't look like the others, then you know it's probably been trimmed at some time.

Again, welcome to the boards and let us know if you have any more questions.


Edited by vintagetoppsguy (03/07/12 10:00 AM)
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#2006608 - 03/07/12 09:41 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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#2006609 - 03/07/12 10:58 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: Blackie]
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Thanks guys. With the Santo card, would SGC do the same thing to see if it was trimmed, or would they just measure it, see that it's off, and slap an "A" on it?
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#2006610 - 03/07/12 11:00 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: hekeim]
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They will review it closely. If you choose to have them encapsulate it then mark yes under the spot of the submission form where it asks you if you want it slabbed.
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#2006611 - 03/07/12 11:50 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: Blackie]
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Welcome to the boards!

I would for sure send your Ryan rookie in, sounds really sharp and having it slabbed will at least protect it. I think on grades with that OC you are looking at any where from an 80-84. Post a pic and let the board give you an idea of how we think it will grade.

On the Santo- 3 things can happen- 1. SGC will look at it closely, if deemed within acceptable size it will get graded with a number. 2. If its deemed cut short but not altered they will not grade it but will refund your grading fees. 3. If it is deemed trimmed/altered it can only be slabbed an Auth and will cost the grading fee.

Good luck!

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#2006614 - 03/07/12 02:19 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: SMtJoy]
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Thanks guys. I'll try scanning the ryan card tomorrow.
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#2006619 - 03/07/12 05:08 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: hekeim]
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#2006620 - 03/07/12 06:15 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: brick]
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#2006621 - 03/07/12 06:18 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: DrD]
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#2006627 - 03/08/12 04:59 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: Blackie]
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#2006628 - 03/08/12 06:18 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: Blackie]
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With centering 90/10, do you really think the card will grade 80 or 84? I would have to say there's a good chance it might grade lower,
No?

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#2006629 - 03/08/12 06:27 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: gaugman]
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True just depends on the card so they seem to not downgrade as much, a pic would help a lot.
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#2006630 - 03/08/12 08:08 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: SMtJoy]
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Welcome Hekeiem

As the others have said, if it is as sharp as you say it would be worth while sending.

SGC does not have an o/c qualifier, although they do have minimum requirements listed for centering in their grading scale. It seems to me they can be pretty leniant on occassion.

A key card like the Ryan would likely draw a closer eye, but ya just never know what different graders at these companies can sometimes see or not.

Look at the horrible centering on these cards.

John




Edited by BigRedOne (03/08/12 06:04 PM)
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#2006631 - 03/08/12 08:16 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: BigRedOne]
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 Originally Posted By: BigRedOne
Welcome Hekeiem

As the others have said, if it is as sharp as you say it would be worth while sending.

SGC does not have an o/c qualifier, although they do have minimum requirements listed for centering in their grading scale. It seems to me they can pretty leniant on occassion.

A key card like the Ryan would likely draw a closer eye, but ya just never know what different graders at these companies can sometimes see or not.

Look at the horrible centering on these cards.

John




When he sees bad centering, B/R/O probably has the same response that some people do when they hear finger nails on a chalkboard!!!

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#2006632 - 03/08/12 10:16 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: gaugman]
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 Originally Posted By: gaugman
With centering 90/10, do you really think the card will grade 80 or 84? I would have to say there's a good chance it might grade lower,
No?


When you submit a card with 90/10 centering to PSA and requet "no qualifiers" they do the same thing - knock it down a grade or two.

Edited to add: I was just looking at this Robinson on eBay. It graded a 6 due to centering, but otherwise it looks like a NM (7) or NM+ (7.5) card. SGC bumped it down a grade, maybe a grade and a half due to centering.



Edited by vintagetoppsguy (03/08/12 10:34 AM)
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#2006673 - 03/09/12 06:20 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I beleive that Robinson is within 70/30 centering which easily puts it into a 84 holder. It received a 6 for other reasons IMO.

I don't ever remember seeing a card with 90/10 centering in a 84 holder. If it would have otherwise graded an 8, I would think it would drop more than two grades. 90/10 is pretty bad.

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#2006683 - 03/09/12 11:45 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: gaugman]
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Thanks guys. I'm not having any luck with getting a scan. I thought the copy machine at work was a color scanner, but it's not. All of the football cards that were shown have considerably better centering than my Ryan rookie does. The purple circle that says "Mets" in the upper left hand corner is completely on the card, but just barely. You can see just a glimmer of of the brown and white border between the circle and the edge of the card.

I think I'll send it in to see what happens. After all, I did get a good price on it, so even if it gets a pretty low grade, I doubt that the value will be below what I paid for it.

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#2006697 - 03/10/12 01:10 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: hekeim]
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ahhh...the 1st rule of card collecting: You gotta have a scanner
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