Page 1 of 2 12>
Topic Options
#2006605 - 03/07/12 08:48 AM new to grading cards
hekeim
stranger


Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 4

Offline
For the last 7 years, I've slowly been building a collection of raw rookie cards. I've decided that I'm going to begin getting some of them graded with sgc. I have two questions:

1. I have a 68 nolan ryan rookie that I believe would easily grade out at 88 or higher if it was centered well. In reality though, the centering on front is about 90/10 top to bottom. Left to right looks 50/50 to me. Would you bother to get this graded, and how much do you think the centering will kill it?

2. I have a 1961 Ron Santo rookie that is pristine in my opinion, but after comparing it to my Billy Williams card from the same year, I found that the Santo card is about a millimeter shorter. I know that I didn't trim the card, but is this proof that it has been? I'm not that familiar with card sets pre 1970. Is it possible that it came from the factory like this?

Top
#2006606 - 03/07/12 09:00 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: hekeim]
vintagetoppsguy
veteran


Registered: 02/02/08
Posts: 1310
Loc: Sugar Land, TX

Offline
 Originally Posted By: hekeim
I have two questions:

1. I have a 68 nolan ryan rookie that I believe would easily grade out at 88 or higher if it was centered well. In reality though, the centering on front is about 90/10 top to bottom. Left to right looks 50/50 to me. Would you bother to get this graded, and how much do you think the centering will kill it?

2. I have a 1961 Ron Santo rookie that is pristine in my opinion, but after comparing it to my Billy Williams card from the same year, I found that the Santo card is about a millimeter shorter. I know that I didn't trim the card, but is this proof that it has been? I'm not that familiar with card sets pre 1970. Is it possible that it came from the factory like this?


Welcome to the boards. To answer your first question, if the Ryan would otherwise grade an 88, SGC will probably knock it down two grades due to the centering. That would make it an SGC 80 (6). Still worth grading IMO.

It's possible the Santo was just cut shorter. When in doubt, I take a few (about 5 or 6) cards of the same year and stack them together with the card in question. Then get a loupe (need good lighting) and look at the cut pattern of the group from all 4 sides. If the cut pattern on the Santo doesn't look like the others, then you know it's probably been trimmed at some time.

Again, welcome to the boards and let us know if you have any more questions.


Edited by vintagetoppsguy (03/07/12 10:00 AM)
_________________________
Collecting 1965 Topps High #'s SGC 88 or better: 10/91

BUYING Well Centered:
1956 Topps SGC 84 or Better (or raw equivalent)
1965 Topps SGC 88 or Better (or raw equivalent)

Top
#2006608 - 03/07/12 09:41 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4766
Loc: Southern US

Offline
Welcome to the boards!
_________________________
Working on the following sets:
1966 Topps Football
1964-65 Topps Hockey
Upgrades to 65Topps Football

Top
#2006609 - 03/07/12 10:58 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: Blackie]
hekeim
stranger


Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 4

Offline
Thanks guys. With the Santo card, would SGC do the same thing to see if it was trimmed, or would they just measure it, see that it's off, and slap an "A" on it?
Top
#2006610 - 03/07/12 11:00 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: hekeim]
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4766
Loc: Southern US

Offline
They will review it closely. If you choose to have them encapsulate it then mark yes under the spot of the submission form where it asks you if you want it slabbed.
_________________________
Working on the following sets:
1966 Topps Football
1964-65 Topps Hockey
Upgrades to 65Topps Football

Top
#2006611 - 03/07/12 11:50 AM Re: new to grading cards [Re: Blackie]
SMtJoy
veteran


Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 1503

content Online
Welcome to the boards!

I would for sure send your Ryan rookie in, sounds really sharp and having it slabbed will at least protect it. I think on grades with that OC you are looking at any where from an 80-84. Post a pic and let the board give you an idea of how we think it will grade.

On the Santo- 3 things can happen- 1. SGC will look at it closely, if deemed within acceptable size it will get graded with a number. 2. If its deemed cut short but not altered they will not grade it but will refund your grading fees. 3. If it is deemed trimmed/altered it can only be slabbed an Auth and will cost the grading fee.

Good luck!

Top
#2006614 - 03/07/12 02:19 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: SMtJoy]
hekeim
stranger


Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 4

Offline
Thanks guys. I'll try scanning the ryan card tomorrow.
Top
#2006619 - 03/07/12 05:08 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: hekeim]
brick
addict


Registered: 01/28/09
Posts: 511
Loc: Central Ohio

Offline
Welcome aboard.
_________________________
http://www.unisquare.com/store/brick/


Top
#2006620 - 03/07/12 06:15 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: brick]
DrD
addict


Registered: 05/30/10
Posts: 400
Loc: Mizzourah, Northa KC

Offline
Welcome to the insanity!
_________________________
"The government’s view of the economy could be summed up.....If it moves, TAX it. If it keeps moving, REGULATE it. And if it stops moving, SUBSIDIZE it.”.....President Reagan, 1986

Top
#2006621 - 03/07/12 06:18 PM Re: new to grading cards [Re: DrD]
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4766
Loc: Southern US

Offline
_________________________
Working on the following sets:
1966 Topps Football
1964-65 Topps Hockey
Upgrades to 65Topps Football

Top
Page 1 of 2 12>


Moderator:  EARLSWORLD 
Hop to:
Who's Online
0 registered and 7 anonymous users online.
Newest Members
jklmno253672, hijklm176309, defghi521014, klmnop450123, abcdef863349
1966 Registered Users

Generated in 0.017 seconds in which 0 seconds were spent on a total of 15 queries. Zlib compression disabled.