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#2006692 - 03/09/12 09:50 PM Grading strange cards.
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For starters, I would like to grade some oddball vintage cards. I do not know the exact year of the cards, but they are circa 1960s. The cards themselves are unnumbered and unnamed. I only know the name of the series and the card manufacturer.

How would you guys go about submitting such rare and unknown cards?

These are my responses from the big 3 graders:

PSA: We can't make any guarantees, but send them in (and we'll charge you all fees and then send them back to you ungraded). That is, unless another card grading company has previously graded said series and then PSA may grade them.

SGC:
Very helpful and lucid in their response. They were eager to learn about the cards and encouraged me to send in as much info as I could. They could not make any guarantees, but said that they could slab them as authentic in the least if proved as such.

Beckett:
They took the time to search for the cards on Google during the call, and said that they could only promise to slab them as authentic if deemed authentic. (similar to SGC, but did not want me to contact them with any documentation or info about these cards that they are apparently unaware of).


Can some pros explain to me why an authentic card can't get a grade number just because there is no database/POP report for the series?

With no name, number, or year...Can't they still grade the card itself?

The cards I collect sell for hundreds each, but the lack of general info can't be avoided. It would be nice if one day a definitive year of manufacture came to light, but there still would not be a name or card number for each individual card. Can very rare cards like this simply not be graded?



Edited by FourStarCandy (03/09/12 09:53 PM)

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#2006693 - 03/09/12 10:00 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: FourStarCandy]
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First off welcome! I would love to see some of these cards as would others on the boards. We have some great guys here that are quite knowledgeable on all types of cards.
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#2006694 - 03/09/12 10:18 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: Blackie]
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The cards are "Your Latest Picture" monster cards from the 1960s. They appear to be in the same fashion as Topps "Ugly Stickers" cards. The cards measure exactly 2" x 3" and are made by the Four Star Candy Company. The Four Star Candy Company primarily made candy cigarettes in their heyday.

If you check eBay you'll see that these cards sell for high values.

I truly wish I knew a year or number for each card, but does the lack of info "due to rarity" mean that the cards are simply ungradable? Can extremely rare cards not be graded?


Edited by FourStarCandy (03/09/12 10:21 PM)

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#2006695 - 03/09/12 10:25 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: FourStarCandy]
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I wouldnt think them being rare would make them ungradeable by no means. If anything preservation of the card by encasing it would be the first thing i would do. I will research ebay and get some specifics on the cards. I
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#2006696 - 03/09/12 10:29 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: Blackie]
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From my replies from the big companies, I have already decided to go SGC. SGC not only has gaskets to fit strange sized cards, but they also seemed interested in the cards.

My question is still more about why they can't get a grade number. From what I've heard, an "Authentic grade" is for trimmed or altered cards. I'd really like my cards graded, even if they grade as poor.


I'm all for the idea of encapsulating them for preservation, but I don't want people to have doubts about trimming, etc due to a simple "Authentic" grade.


Edited by FourStarCandy (03/09/12 10:38 PM)

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#2006699 - 03/10/12 04:48 AM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: FourStarCandy]
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#2006721 - 03/11/12 08:34 AM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: brick]
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Welcome and cant wait to see some pics, those cards sounds really cool.

The key on getting a number grade is that they have a factory cut and the dimensions of the card are known then they will give them a number grade.

I also think you should try the non sports boards as they might be able to help with the year and such.

Here is a link-
http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604/

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#2006748 - 03/12/12 09:44 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: SMtJoy]
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 Originally Posted By: SMtJoy
Welcome and cant wait to see some pics, those cards sounds really cool.

The key on getting a number grade is that they have a factory cut and the dimensions of the card are known then they will give them a number grade.

I also think you should try the non sports boards as they might be able to help with the year and such.

Here is a link-
http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604/


Thank you kindly for the link, I have posted this inquiry thread. \:\)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604/th...t%3B+cards+info


Edited by FourStarCandy (03/12/12 09:46 PM)

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#2008078 - 05/12/12 09:40 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: ]
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#2009310 - 07/09/12 03:17 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: purduepete]
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Hey guys ,I have a couple sets of 77 starwars and Charlie's angels😊, are these worth grading these days?
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#2009311 - 07/09/12 05:49 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: CTROOP11]
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Im not sure completely but i know that the 1977 Star Wars would be something to think about. There are lots of collectors out there that focus on Star Wars. How many cards are in the set?
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#2009312 - 07/09/12 07:13 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: Blackie]
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66 in the first series that I have + 11 stickers.
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#2009313 - 07/09/12 07:14 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: CTROOP11]
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As long as the Star Wars pull 96s or better you may have a shot. I don't see too many 70's non-sport issues in SGC.

The Angels - probably not, IMO
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#2009314 - 07/09/12 07:17 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: DrD]
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Gotta agree with the DOC.......he is right Stars Wars yes.......probably not the Angels.

Ive gotta look up those cards and see what they look like.
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#2009315 - 07/09/12 07:21 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: Blackie]
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Card Values
· set value: $35-40
· unopened box: $300
· single: $0.50 - $1
· sticker: $1-2
· empty box: $5



The first ever card set issued for the Star Wars movies, this card set marked the beginning of the relationship between LucasFilm and Topps. Although many collector's tend to become confused by the fact that there is no Topps logo on any of the vintage Star Wars sets. Instead, the logo for 20th Century Fox appears. The cards were in fact printed by Topps however. For most collectors, the Topps trading cards have come to symbolize what Star Wars cards are all about, and the original sets of cards are what they think of when they use the term Star Wars cards.

The first set of cards had a blue border with stars. There were 66 cards, and 11 stickers to collect. The cards came in packs complete with a stick of gum, each pack containing a single sticker and seven cards. The box for this set, as well as the wrapper, featured C-3P0. Many collectors also collect the empty (or full) boxes, as well as the wrappers for their card sets. In addition, collectors can also find uncut sheets of the cards and stickers for all of the different Star Wars vintage sets.

This first series of cards is now the most difficult to find complete and in good condition. It isn't that fewer of these cards were made, but simply that fewer have survived in the excellent condition most collectors expect of their cards. Even so, the card set is still fairly easy to find, and singles are available in a variety of conditions.

Many collectors will notice that some cards have a small star on the back. Originally thought to relate to the print run (most Star Wars card sets had multiple print runs) it is now known that this small star actually indicated whether the card was on the A or B side of the uncut sheet during the printing process. The small stars served as a guide to the printers working with the cards.
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#2009316 - 07/09/12 07:24 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: CTROOP11]
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Nice cards..........just looked at some pics. Bet they would look good in an SGC holder.
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#2009326 - 07/10/12 12:27 PM Re: Grading strange cards. [Re: Blackie]
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The stickers have much higher values , but because they are Soft cards! Almost all of them have roller marks etc...
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