#2007404 - 04/14/12 12:07 PM
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There is currently a topic being discussed on the "other" forum regarding 4SC, "4SC currently has over 30,000 psa 10's listed on ebay.."
I have a question and rather than ask it there and risk being attacked, and more than likely banned, I'll ask it on the more civil forum. There seems to be a major contention with the grades on PSA cards coming out of 4SC, ie 10's that should be 8's at best. I know I'm probably naive on the subject, but I buy a fair amount of cards form 4SC and to my knowledge they do not have a grading service. So, just how is it 4SC's fault that "another" grading company assigns a grade to their cards? Are they pre-grading and the "other" company goes along with it? Are they getting preferential treatment due to the volume they submit? Or, any other conspiracy theories? I just don't get where any of this 4SC's fault. But again I'm probably naive on the subject.
Seems to me they offer their cards at generally fair market value with the grade assigned by the grading company. True, I get 10's back that are not 10's as exemplified from my last SGC submission. Nine of my submissions were cracked out of a 4SC PSA 10 case. One came back a 98, seven came back 96 and one came back 88. To the other grading company's credit, four other 4SC crack-outs, 9's came back 96. One non-4SC card came back evidence of trimming and was cracked out of a PSA 8.5.
All of these cards came back with the correct grade, in my estimation. How a trimmed card got into an 8.5 slab is still a mystery to me, but the card is definitely shorter top to bottom, about 1/16".
So, I'm interested in anyone's "civil" opinion on this, what am I missing?
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#2007405 - 04/14/12 12:26 PM
Re: 4SC Question
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Trex, ive been tracking that thread as well over on the CU boards. Seems like the discussion with 4SC comes up at least once every two months over there.
There is no doubt in my mind that 4SC gets a substantial grading discount along with a possible review service. I know that NewEnglandSportscards on ebay sells the ones that "didnt make the grade". The NM cards are not NM and many have significant defects, stains, warping etc.
IM pretty sour to PSA and have cracked out several myself. The competition on the PSA registry is fierce........(may the collector with the deepest pockets win...LOL) I guess i have been blessed so far as to not have recieved any bad outcomes on PSA crackouts.
Now enough with my opinion as you all know IM SGC LOYAL and that is where i will stand. Of course i was an avid Bobby Patrino fan until well.......
 He really did get around the campus...LOL....anyway
But back to the opinion.....I don't think your missing anything trex, I believe that the PSA grader must have missed that one on the 8.5 and maybe he just got "lazy" and didn't use the ruler. Sorry for draggin on but just my thougts..
Edited by Blackie (04/14/12 12:29 PM)
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#2007406 - 04/14/12 12:45 PM
Re: 4SC Question
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Blackie is right, that topic seems to come up at least once a month over there. Some people have the perception that 4SC gets preferrential treatment (better grades) based on their volume. That may or may not be the case. I personally don't care. If tht is the case, then you are correct, that is in no way their (4SC) fault. However, the kool-aid drinkers over there would never put the fault on PSA, so I guess it's easier to blame 4SC.
Yes, 4SC is also NewEnglandSportsCards. However, I'm not sure I buy into the idea they sell the ones that didn't make the grade. I have bought several cards from them to fill my '70s sets and the ones that I had graded did very well.
Edited by vintagetoppsguy (04/14/12 12:47 PM)
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#2007408 - 04/14/12 01:03 PM
Re: 4SC Question
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However, the kool-aid drinkers over there would never put the fault on PSA, so I guess it's easier to blame 4SC.
Wow, and I thought I was the only one that suspected a bit kool-aid drinking going on over there.
I didn't know 4SC is also NewEnglandSportsCards.
See, I learned something today.
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#2007409 - 04/14/12 01:06 PM
Re: 4SC Question
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Yes sir. David may be right but ive had three bad purchases so thats my opinion on newenglandsportscards. Just dont wanna chance em again.
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#2007410 - 04/14/12 01:10 PM
Re: 4SC Question
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There are some great guys over there on CU, and some ... well "blinded by the slab"
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#2007412 - 04/14/12 03:59 PM
Re: 4SC Question
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There are some great guys there,some very, very knowledgeable collectors, and there are more than their share of those "blinded by the slab." Then there is the "pack rip" crowd....now these guys are way over the top. More cliquish than a bunch of high school girls.
LOL...........couldn't agree more Trex! I almost cry when i see 50's and 60's wax busted. If its been in there that long then by gosh leave it there...LOL
Naw, hell i would probably love to rip a 58 pack or two...
I get a kick outta those that are complaining bout the ebay listings using PSA, SGC, BVG and so on. The sellers are just trying to get the most looks at their cards. If they don't want to bid then its simple.........DONT.
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#2007413 - 04/14/12 04:11 PM
Re: 4SC Question
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I have also purchased some raw from NESC for my '81 Topps Royals collection - I believe that 4 or 5 pulled 96s IIRC.
I couldn't tell you if 4SC gets any special grade bump or not. I've seen some of their grades and some don't really "look" the part, but then most of them do.....I suppose you could say thast with any graded card submission.
I can't believe that any grading company would do that and risk their rep on that shady practice of grade bumping for large-volume submitters.
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