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#2008068 - 05/12/12 07:50 AM 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150
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I know there are many experts here on the 1956 Topps Set.

What would be the value of the 1956 Duke of Flatbush in EX condition ungraded? or in a SGC 60 Holder? It such a cool looking card.

Thanks for looking amigos.
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#2008074 - 05/12/12 02:32 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Leon1945]
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About $45 will get you an SGC 60 or PSA 5. Yes, it is a great looking card and Duke is one of my all-time favorite ball players. No other player hit more homeruns in the 1950s than Duke Snider - not even Mantle or Mays.
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#2008075 - 05/12/12 04:53 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Duke played all 10 years 1950-59. Mantle only played nine years and Mays played eight and a fraction due to military service. The #2 guy on that list also played just 8 years. If you correctly list the 1950's as 1951-1960 (the first decade A.D. began with year 1 and not year 0; therefore, it ended with year 0 and not year 9), then this #2 player on the list jumps to #1.

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Edwin Lee Mathews, Jr hit 338 homers from his 1952 rookie year through 1960. Overshadowed most of his career by Aaron, Eddie's cards, save his rookie, are extremely undervalued IMO. Granted, Mathews benefited from having Aaron in the lineup, usually hitting behind him, but dude had some pop. And not just with his bat.

He played 3rd and once when Frank Robinson stretched a double into a triple he came at Mathews spikes up. Mathews pounded Robinson's face multiple times before the dust settled.
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#2008079 - 05/13/12 04:25 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Thanks Vintage
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#2008080 - 05/13/12 04:27 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: bbo]
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Interesting Bbo. How about Ted Williams serving as a combat pilot in both WW2 and Korea.
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#2008082 - 05/13/12 05:45 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Leon1945]
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Yep, that's another pretty decent player whose career got interrupted. And I bet Ted never complained one bit. He probably liked shooting down the enemy as much as he liked pounding pitches into the bleachers.
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#2008085 - 05/13/12 12:00 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: bbo]
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Get ready. Someone is going to say that based on the new age mumbo jumbo of statistics Manny Ramirez was a better hitter than Ted Williams.
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#2008086 - 05/13/12 01:16 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Leon1945]
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 Originally Posted By: Leon1945
Interesting Bbo. How about Ted Williams serving as a combat pilot in both WW2 and Korea.


Yup, if he wouldn't have missed those years, he probably would have finihsed with somewhere between 650-670 home runs.
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#2008087 - 05/14/12 04:24 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Don't worry cammb - it doesn't matter what statistics you look at, old school or new school, the conclusion is the same: Ted Williams was probably the second greatest hitter of all-time, behind only Babe Ruth (and it's actually closer than a lot people think, especially when you consider the seasons that Williams missed for war service). Manny Ramirez doesn't come close to either of them.
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#2008088 - 05/14/12 08:19 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Irwin Fletcher]
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 Originally Posted By: Irwin Fletcher
Ted Williams was probably the second greatest hitter of all-time, behind only Babe Ruth (and it's actually closer than a lot people think, especially when you consider the seasons that Williams missed for war service)



100% Agree.

Williamís career was astounding to say the least. He won the Triple Crown the year before becoming a Marine Corps pilot in WW2 and then after returning home from the war won it again the following year. Can only imagine the numbers he would have put up if didnít lose those 3 prime years, then to get recalled again for the Korean War some years later.

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#2008089 - 05/14/12 08:30 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: gaugman]
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No argument from me. I consider Williams the greatest hitter of all time
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#2008091 - 05/14/12 09:16 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: gaugman]
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The media hated Teddy Ballgame. He thought sportwriters were trash, and never gave the creampuff interviews they wanted. Very similar to
Steve Carlton.
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#2008092 - 05/14/12 09:53 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Leon1945]
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All the more reason to like him.
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#2008129 - 05/16/12 12:55 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: bbo]
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Bbo, speaking of Ted Williams, do you think it is a wise move to buy some of his early 50's cards in Good to very Good condition.

I just love his 1954 topps #1 card, but it costs a fortune in decent grades. I can get a G/VG raw version for about $80, and ten submit it to SGC. Who knows?
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#2008133 - 05/16/12 01:35 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Leon1945]
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I'm not expecting any sportscard purchase in that grade range to be a wise move. I would only buy it if I liked looking at it.
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#2008135 - 05/16/12 04:26 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
I'm not expecting any sportscard purchase in that grade range to be a wise move.


I guess it depends on your budget. If your budget only allows you to buy that card in that grade range, so be it. However, if that is the case then having it graded would definitely not be a wise move. You wouldn't add any value to the card.
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#2008136 - 05/16/12 06:44 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: bbo]
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Thanks Bbo
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#2008137 - 05/16/12 06:44 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Good point Vintage
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#2008142 - 05/17/12 12:43 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I would grade the card just for the authenticity and and the preclusion of any alterations.
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#2008143 - 05/17/12 01:20 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: cammb]
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My thoughts exactly Cam. Good advice
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#2008144 - 05/17/12 01:29 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: cammb]
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 Originally Posted By: cammb
I would grade the card just for the authenticity and and the preclusion of any alterations.


I would agree if it were a high dollar card, but we're talking a $45 card here. Why spend money to grade it? After all, why would someone alter an EX card only worth $45? I think I'm missing the point.

That said, you can usually pick up a nice PSA 5 or SGC 60 cheaper than you can buy a raw one in the same condition. If you buy a graded one, so be it, but I wouldn't spend the extra money to grade a raw one in EX condition.

Here is mine when it was graded. I recently freed it from it's tomb along with many dozen other cards. I like it much better raw.

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#2008146 - 05/17/12 05:18 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I was referring to the Ted Williams card.
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#2008149 - 05/17/12 08:02 PM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: cammb]
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David you made a good point concering raw card prices. I still cannot figure why some raw bring higher price when a buyer could hammer down a same grade slabbed card for less.
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#2008150 - 05/18/12 06:48 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Blackie]
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I think the raw goes higher because there is hope that the card is undergraded and could be subbed for a higher grade
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#2008151 - 05/18/12 06:49 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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What a great looking card
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#2008152 - 05/18/12 07:13 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: cammb]
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 Originally Posted By: cammb
I was referring to the Ted Williams card.


You're right. We shifted gears from a '56 Snider to a '54 Williams and I missed it somehow. I see that now after reading through the thread again.
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#2008153 - 05/18/12 07:16 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: Leon1945]
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 Originally Posted By: Leon1945
I think the raw goes higher because there is hope that the card is undergraded and could be subbed for a higher grade


Exactly. And speaking of '54 Williams, here are mine.



Just goes to show you can get a nice card with decent eye appeal in mid-grade.
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#2008154 - 05/18/12 07:47 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Very Nice Vintage, I am jealous
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#2008155 - 05/18/12 08:04 AM Re: 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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How strange? Both shots show a head attached to a body.
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