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#2009634 - 07/26/12 09:40 AM Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare?
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I picked this card up in a collection recently. I have never seen another one like it(although I mostly collect modern). The card is missing the set number & all of the red ink on the back of the card. Any help would be greatly appreciated!


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#2009635 - 07/26/12 09:50 AM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Wow! Im a hardcore 58 topps collector. Never heard of this card. Need to check this one out.
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#2009638 - 07/26/12 10:10 AM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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He's a little lighter than his days on American Idol!!
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#2009639 - 07/26/12 10:13 AM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: K-dog]
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 Originally Posted By: K-dog
He's a little lighter than his days on American Idol!!


This was exactly my first thought!

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#2009646 - 07/26/12 05:55 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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 Originally Posted By: Blackie
Wow! Im a hardcore 58 topps collector. Never heard of this card. Need to check this one out.


Well I threw it up on eBay if you are interested. Here is the link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-Randy...=item1e7089e35a

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#2009647 - 07/26/12 05:59 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Umm im going to throw in a bid
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#2009650 - 07/26/12 06:13 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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Sorry if posting the link is considered spam or is against the TOS. I will remove it if so.
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#2009651 - 07/26/12 06:15 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Sorry if posting the link is considered spam or is against the TOS. I will remove it if so.

Not at all. I'm not going to bid, but I will watch it. I have not seen anything like that either. Got to be very few of those floating around the hobby. I'd say you might have a small fortune on your hands.
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#2009652 - 07/26/12 06:18 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: bbo]
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Mike he just may have a fortune. A poncho herrera error in that condition would bring a few hundred but since this may be the only one then no telling what the hammer will bring.
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#2009653 - 07/26/12 06:30 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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 Originally Posted By: Blackie
Mike he just may have a fortune. A poncho herrera error in that condition would bring a few hundred but since this may be the only one then no telling what the hammer will bring.


Wow. I had no idea it may be very significant. I wondering if I should pull the auction and do some more research. Hmmmm...

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#2009654 - 07/26/12 06:56 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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I say let the market decide. What have you got in it, a buck? If it has multiple bidders and watchers, let it ride. Found money, my man, found money.
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#2009655 - 07/26/12 07:11 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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 Originally Posted By: jbrown
 Originally Posted By: Blackie
Mike he just may have a fortune. A poncho herrera error in that condition would bring a few hundred but since this may be the only one then no telling what the hammer will bring.


Wow. I had no idea it may be very significant. I wondering if I should pull the auction and do some more research. Hmmmm...


My passion is the 1958 Topps Baseball Set! I only collect that set for right now and have read every article i could find, using every search engine i knew to look up any information on the 1958 Topps baseball set. It took me quite some time to pick up all the Yellow Varations and Numerical team cards but I have been able to get the most of the set thus far. The Herrea card will be a long term goal but I will complete this master set.

The card you have is very interesting. I haven't read anything on this varation as it is probably not known at this time. I was a bit skeptical at first thinking it may be a fake but I beleive you are on to something great. I have a feeling it will go for quite more than i can afford.. Let me know if you trade for guns....LOL

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#2009656 - 07/26/12 07:12 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
I say let the market decide. What have you got in it, a buck? If it has multiple bidders and watchers, let it ride. Found money, my man, found money.


I agree. But if nobody in the market knows it exists, how can the market decide what it is worth?

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#2009658 - 07/26/12 07:18 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Let ebay decide........



Edited by Blackie (07/28/12 07:53 PM)
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#2009659 - 07/26/12 07:28 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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But if nobody in the market knows it exists, how can the market decide what it is worth?


Ebay is the largest auction house in the world. Believe me, it will be found by enough people. All you need is two idiots who want it. (Sorry, Blackie, no offense.) If you have three bidders and at least that many auction watchers, you'll get what it's worth.

You could always buy a ticket to Baltimore, spend a grand on hotel rooms and meals, drop a hundred on show admission to the National and walk it around to all 600 tables next month. You'll get low balled so many times you'll have to wear a cup, and end up selling for less than eBay.

You can research it all week and still not know anymore than you know now. You can put a reserve on it and scare away a couple of bidders. You can grade it and it'll come back a 3 or 4 due to the back crease.

Just sell it. It's not like it's Mantle or Ted Wms.
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#2009660 - 07/26/12 07:34 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
 Originally Posted By: jbrown
But if nobody in the market knows it exists, how can the market decide what it is worth?


Ebay is the largest auction house in the world. Believe me, it will be found by enough people. All you need is two idiots who want it. (Sorry, Blackie, no offense.) If you have three bidders and at least that many auction watchers, you'll get what it's worth.

You could always buy a ticket to Baltimore, spend a grand on hotel rooms and meals, drop a hundred on show admission to the National and walk it around to all 600 tables next month. You'll get low balled so many times you'll have to wear a cup, and end up selling for less than eBay.

You can research it all week and still not know anymore than you know now. You can put a reserve on it and scare away a couple of bidders. You can grade it and it'll come back a 3 or 4 due to the back crease.

Just sell it. It's not like it's Mantle or Ted Wms.


Haha! I guess really I just want the right people to know it exists.

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#2009661 - 07/26/12 07:35 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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I know now
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#2009662 - 07/26/12 07:40 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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 Originally Posted By: Blackie
I know now


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#2009663 - 07/26/12 07:45 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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LOL
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#2009664 - 07/26/12 07:45 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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Well I will let it run. Good luck!
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#2009665 - 07/26/12 07:46 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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I don't even know who to ask about it. I may give Earl at SGC tomorrow to see if it can be graded as an error card. Its worth a shot. If i can sell my other .45 cal pistol then i could put down a pretty good bid on it. Gotta do my research first though. Did you put 6 days on it for auction can't remember?
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#2009666 - 07/26/12 07:55 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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Here is a list of the 1958 Error cards....the Jackson isn't listed........yet??


http://www.baseballerrors.com/sets.php?Set=9&go=Go
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#2009667 - 07/26/12 08:00 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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May try to contact this guy

http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/Variations_Printing_Differences.pdf
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#2009668 - 07/26/12 08:01 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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 Originally Posted By: Blackie
I don't even know who to ask about it. I may give Earl at SGC tomorrow to see if it can be graded as an error card. Its worth a shot. If i can sell my other .45 cal pistol then i could put down a pretty good bid on it. Gotta do my research first though. Did you put 6 days on it for auction can't remember?


That would be awesome. Let me know what he says. As for the auction, it ends in 4days 22hours. So Tuesday night around 9:00est.

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#2009669 - 07/26/12 08:04 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Im keeping my eyes on it for sure brother. Thank you so much for sharing this card with us. I don't know about the other members but its got me excited about the possibility of other varations in the 58 set.
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#2009670 - 07/26/12 08:50 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Blackie]
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I'm glad I could add some excitement to your day. I shot an email to the author of that article. We will see if he can shed some light on it.
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#2009684 - 07/27/12 05:29 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Well, the author of that article wasn't a ton of help either. He said he had never seen another card from this set with this printing defect. He did say it probably came to be during the printing process and not from the prepress setup. So basically it just missed the red ink step in the process. I still think after all these years we would have seen another card from 1958 with the same issue.
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#2009695 - 07/27/12 06:43 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Oh, there are at least 131 other cards with exactly the same issue. There were 11 rows of 12 cards on each sheet. If Jackson missed the red print run, then all 131 others missed it. The question is, "How many sheets did they run through (or failed to run through)?"

Shout out to whoever is holding the other 131. Cough 'em up.
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#2009699 - 07/27/12 08:37 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: bbo]
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I would really like to just track down one more. I can't believe that with all of the technology we have, we can't find another. Either way, it has been fun.
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#2009726 - 07/29/12 05:55 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Oh, there are at least 131 other cards with exactly the same issue. There were 11 rows of 12 cards on each sheet. If Jackson missed the red print run, then all 131 others missed it.


This is the correct answer. It is not an error. It is from a sheet that didn't make it through the red ink pass. It could still be pretty rare and worth some money.
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#2009727 - 07/29/12 06:02 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Or there could be stacks and stacks of them sitting in an attic in NE Ohio (next to the recent 1910 find).
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#2009737 - 07/30/12 11:10 AM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Or there could be stacks and stacks of them sitting in an attic in NE Ohio (next to the recent 1910 find).


All are gem mint too.

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#2009753 - 07/31/12 07:00 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Well it ended for more than I thought it would. That was kinda fun. Now the hunt begins for the others from the sheet.
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#2010190 - 08/19/12 12:35 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: jbrown]
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Nice score on that card..
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#2010197 - 08/19/12 06:47 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: hitman]
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I'm betting that it is going to be worth a lot more. The 57 topps Baker error or the 58 topps Herrara error dont even come close. Those two so called errors were just light strikes in the printing. This error is the complete red and numeral missing.
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#2010210 - 08/20/12 08:47 PM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: cammb]
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Disagree with cammb. While this Jackson may be rarer than the Herrer or Bakep it is not a documented/accepted error card but just a print freak. Most collectors don't care about that stuff sorta like a badly miscut card. There are many print color "variations" that simply don't get much appreciation. I would say you got a better $ for this card than you shoulda

Edited by Mintacular (08/20/12 08:47 PM)
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#2010211 - 08/21/12 06:20 AM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: Mintacular]
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Even if u have the only 1 in the world of something & no one wants it,u still dont have any value.
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#2010212 - 08/21/12 06:29 AM Re: Help! 1958 Topps #301 Error Card - Rare? [Re: goldenhawk]
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I want it! Just sayin
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