Page 1 of 2 12>
Topic Options
#2010279 - 08/24/12 07:54 AM Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover.
Scottish Punk
newbie


Registered: 05/15/10
Posts: 37

Offline
I recently subbed my Lord of the Rings autograph cards from BGS. I have been thinking of slowly moving all my BGS graded into SGC. Now I am not so sure.

1 2001 Topps SIR IAN HOLM Lord Of The Rings Auto. 92 GAI 8.5 even
2 2001 Topps LIV TYLER Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 Raw
3 2001 Topps SIR IAN MCKELLEN Lord Of The Rings Auto. 92 Raw
4 2001 Topps HUGO WEAVING Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 BGS 8.5 up 1
5 2001 Topps CHRISTOPHER LEE Lord Of The Rings Auto. 88 BGS 9.0 down 2
6 2003 Topps BERNARD HILL Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 BGS 9.0 even
7 2003 Topps KARL URBAN Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 BGS 9.0 even
8 2003 Topps JOHN NOBLE Lord Of The Rings Auto. 84 Raw
9 2003 Topps BRUCE HOPKINS Lord Of The Rings Auto. 88 BGS 9.5 down 3 cen9.5,cor9.0,ed9.5,sur9.5
10 2003 Topps CHRISTOPHER LEE Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 Raw
11 2003 Topps ANDY SERKIS Lord Of The Rings Auto. (Update) 96 BGS 9.0 even
12 2003 Topps SEAN BEAN Lord Of The Rings Auto. (Update) 84 Raw
13 2003 Topps VIGGO MORTENSEN Lord Of The Rings Auto. (Update) 86 BGS 8.5 down 2
14 2002 Topps BILLY BOYD Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 BGS 8.5 up 1
15 2002 Topps DAVID WENHAM Lord Of The Rings Auto. 88 BGS 8.0 even
16 2002 Topps MIRANDA OTTO Lord Of The Rings Auto. 80 BGS 7.5 down 3 cen 9.5,cor7.0,ed8.5,sur9.5
17 2002 Topps DOMINIC MONAGHAN Lord Of The Rings Auto. 70 Raw (Grrr!!)
18 2002 Topps CRAIG PARKER Lord Of The Rings Auto. 84 BGS 8.5 down 3 cen9.5,cor8.5,ed8.5,sur9.5
19 2002 Topps CATE BLANCHETT Lord Of The Rings Auto. 88 BGS 9.0 down 2
20 2002 Topps SEAN ASTIN Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 BGS 8.5 up 1
21 2002 Topps ORLANDO BLOOM Lord Of The Rings Auto. 96 BGS 9.0 even
22 2002 Topps ELIJAH WOOD Lord Of The Rings Auto. 84 BGS 8.5 down 3 cen9.5,cor8,ed8.5,sur9.0

Do I chalk this up to SGC just doesn't have any experience with these cards? They are all population one now in their registry. Beckett really that bad? These are supposed to be in Beckett's wheelhouse, modern shiney. I may just crack and put them in one-touches and call it a day. I can put up a few scans when I get them back.

Top
#2010280 - 08/24/12 07:57 AM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: Scottish Punk]
bbo
The Collectinator


Registered: 02/07/06
Posts: 3376
Loc: Top of the 1959 Registry

Offline
Sorry this happened to you.

modern + SGC = bad.
modern + Beckett = good.
_________________________
#1 in 1959 Topps. Officially known as Assassin according to stanthemanfan 3/31/2014 and god of minor league basketball according to cammb.

Top
#2010282 - 08/24/12 09:06 AM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: bbo]
vintagetoppsguy
veteran


Registered: 02/02/08
Posts: 1310
Loc: Sugar Land, TX

Offline
What is Lord of the Rings? Is that anything like Harry Potter? My little girl loves that kind of stuff.

Sorry about the bad grades.
_________________________
Collecting 1965 Topps High #'s SGC 88 or better: 10/91

BUYING Well Centered:
1956 Topps SGC 84 or Better (or raw equivalent)
1965 Topps SGC 88 or Better (or raw equivalent)

Top
#2010283 - 08/24/12 10:18 AM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
K-dog
veteran


Registered: 11/03/09
Posts: 1226

Offline

Top
#2010285 - 08/24/12 10:40 AM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: K-dog]
Scottish Punk
newbie


Registered: 05/15/10
Posts: 37

Offline
That is funny kdog.

Yes vintage, lord of the rings is somewhat like Harry Potter. JRR Tolkien books that came out 50+ years ago along with 'The Hobbitt". He is the father of the fantasy genre in literature. Movies came out 10 years ago.

Top
#2010304 - 08/25/12 12:28 PM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: Scottish Punk]
The T206Fiend
member


Registered: 01/30/11
Posts: 125
Loc: Richmond,VA

Offline
Great image K-Dog.With regards to the cards,sorry to hear of the downgrading.Im experiencing the same thing with some Red Borders I have graded by PSA.PSA was too lax with the grades and SGC won't crossover a few.My fault for not seeing the over grades before purchasing them.Im trying to break my habit of buying the flip and not the card.

Edited by The T206Fiend (08/25/12 12:32 PM)

Top
#2010312 - 08/25/12 01:51 PM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: bbo]
BigRedOne
old hand


Registered: 01/21/08
Posts: 1046

Offline
 Originally Posted By: bbo
Sorry this happened to you.

modern + SGC = bad.
modern + Beckett = good.



I surely don't buy this theory. I feel that any of the big 3 TPGers are just as qualified to access and pretty much grade all types of cards weather it be vintage or new. The Human element is always going make grading a subjective thing.
So i don't subscribe to the theory that SGC is any less or more qualified to grade modern than PSA or BGS. Not getting the grades one wants or expects is just part of the subjective issue with card grading and really proves nothing as to which TPGer is better or worse in certain areas.

If just getting the best label is your concern, I suggest just keeping them raw and save yourself the money used to buy an opinion from the so called "Proffessional Grading Community"

John
_________________________

Top
#2010323 - 08/26/12 04:50 AM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: BigRedOne]
Toledo Mudhen
Just got here


Registered: 09/18/05
Posts: 409
Loc: Texas

Offline
You could have sent them to PRO Grading and got Gem Mint 10s back on every one. That is sometimes fun to do when I get bored.
Top
#2010351 - 08/27/12 11:38 AM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
srs1a
Old, dense-headed hammers are cool. Best nail pounders.


Registered: 08/15/02
Posts: 987
Loc: NY

Offline
On the cards where you provided the BGS subgrades, I think you got caught by (what I think) is a flaw in BGS's grading system.

For example:
16 2002 Topps MIRANDA OTTO Lord Of The Rings Auto. 80 BGS 7.5 down 3 cen 9.5,cor7.0,ed8.5,sur9.5

In my opinion, a card with 7 corners is a 7 -- it can't be better. I'm pretty sure that SGC grades this way, as well. BGS, however, will give it a half grade better if the other subs support it which they did on this card.

Add to this, I believe SGC is tougher on corners that BGS and there you are. My guess is that SGC said the corners limited the card to a 6 and that's what you got -vs- the 7.5 that BGS gave it. This same general argument holds for most of the other cards where you provided the subgrades.

Cross overs are a tough (and frustrating) business.

Top
#2010352 - 08/27/12 01:21 PM Re: Not super happy with the latest sub/crossover. [Re: srs1a]
SMtJoy
veteran


Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 1503

Offline
Tough one here, kinda gets down too-

Would you rather have a high grade on an over-graded card or a strict proper grade, maybe a little under-graded and possibly worth a little less if you ever decide to sell.

If its strictly for your collection go with the one that makes the cards look the best, on the cards you listed all are signed and I would think the grade is not a huge driver on the price, value is more decided on whos auto and how limited the print run was. Its not like people are battling it out over on the Beckett registry over this set and being .001 higher than the slab collector above them.

In any case post some pics, never seen the cards, loved the movies!


Edited by SMtJoy (08/27/12 01:21 PM)

Top
Page 1 of 2 12>


Hop to:
Who's Online
0 registered and 12 anonymous users online.
Newest Members
defghi104200, jklmno253672, hijklm176309, defghi521014, klmnop450123
1967 Registered Users

Generated in 0.018 seconds in which 0.001 seconds were spent on a total of 14 queries. Zlib compression disabled.