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#2010818 - 09/13/12 04:28 AM Legitimate auction or no?
bbo
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What say you? Real deal or not?
Final Hammer?

1952 Mantle GEM MINT
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#2010819 - 09/13/12 04:41 AM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: bbo]
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Not a chance in the world that it's legit.

Edited to add: As far as final hammer, this auction gets pulled before the acution ends...probably sometime this early afternoon.


Edited by vintagetoppsguy (09/13/12 04:43 AM)
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#2010820 - 09/13/12 05:08 AM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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No way!

They're all over it across the street.

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=867176
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#2010821 - 09/13/12 05:17 AM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: trex]
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There are 33 bidders on this?! Who in there right mind sells a Gem Mint 52 Mantle on EBAY? That alone should cause people to question the card.
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#2010822 - 09/13/12 06:24 AM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Not, just look at all the fun stuff he has sold in the past, haha.
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#2010823 - 09/13/12 07:06 AM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: SMtJoy]
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I think you hit on the head. His previous auctions were junk filled and all of a sudden he has this Mantle. The cert number is correct. There is a documentary with Fogel holding the card and that is the right serial number. In the piece, Fogel states that he would only sell to a museum or the like. I guess the serial number can easily be duplicated. In addition, the markings on the bat dont appear to be quite correct. Could be wrong but I agree with my buddy, Vintage, that is not legitimate and auction will be ended.
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#2010826 - 09/13/12 02:50 PM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: cammb]
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And it's gone
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#2010828 - 09/13/12 03:28 PM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Big surprise there..huh?
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#2010831 - 09/13/12 04:57 PM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: trex]
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Here's a comment from across the street:

"What I find is most upsetting about this matter is that there were people actually bidding on this item, I hope they were not board members as I would like to think they are a little smarter than that!"

And this is the most troubling part of this whole scenario. The last time I checked the bid was $53,000. I know it's not totally relevant but here's a post from 33rdstreet earlier:

"I typed SGC into YouTube to see if they had a video of there grading process like psa does, all that came up was little videos of 12 year olds showing of there graded cards and making comments like.....this one only came back a nine I'll probably crack it out! All I could here in the videos was the sound of the psa cases slapping down on the table as they showed them one by one. As I listened it was obvious the card in the case was completely secondary to the grade on it. That's the state of the hobby. Wayyyyyy off topic I know."

So, it's not really off-topic, it's what we have evolved into, kids look at dads and see irritation with a number on a plastic case and say "yah you're right, it's wrong," Instead of the history involved in the whole process and the nostalgia. With this in mind, what long-term future does the hobby have? Greed+Money=Corruption.

Someone please someone tell me I'm wrong.
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#2010834 - 09/13/12 05:23 PM Re: Legitimate auction or no? [Re: trex]
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Kids also see their dads irritation when their father buys a raw card and finds out it was trimmed. The root of this is the drive that collectors have for perfection. It borders on insanity. There are no longer true collectors, those who collect for the enjoyment no matter the condition. I have taken a step over to the dark side but still collect lesser condition cards.
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