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#2010980 - 09/15/12 06:03 PM Re: Guess the grade [Re: SMtJoy]
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Edited by bbo (09/16/12 07:58 PM)
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#2010992 - 09/16/12 04:35 AM Re: Guess the grade [Re: bbo]
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Bought raw, then it was subbed three times: first a 7.5, then 7, now 8. No one likes to resub over and over again; however, I've still spent less in grading fees than what I've seen 8's sell for on eBay. So AFAIC, it was a good strategy. For those who have been at this "game" long enough, it's common knowledge that graders across the street rarely take into account the back of the card unless it's creased, written on or missing paper.

The wide range of guesses proves the point that all aspects of grading is subjective. Yes, Virginia, even centering and card size have tolerance ranges. PSA and SGC both say so in their guidelines. Presentation sets are believed to be 1/32" shorter top/bottom for instance.

So this Powell is a perfect example of (1) why grade, (2) why keep raw, (3) differences of opinion do exist, and (4) it's my card and I can do whatever I want with/to it. Thanks for playing. The winner is Mintacular since the question was what is the grade now and he answered "8".

Technically, the grade is correct at 8. I can understand the 7.5, but not the 7. I kept it for over a year at 7.5, happy with the card regardless. I added it to a friend's invoice to get to a breakpoint of 25 or 50 cards, hoping it might go 8, never guessing they'd knock it down to 7. When it came back 7, I couldn't crack it out fast enough to try again. Loaded it into a large invoice for him to submit at the National.

The photo area is unblemished and untouched. Centering even with very slight tilt is well within tolerance. Upper left corner is the worst, but allowable for an 8. Rough cut is a non-issue. Minor print smudges are just that, minor and not in the photo area. The single fisheye in the "L" in Orioles is allowable even for a 9 or 10. Focus and register is outstanding, if not near perfect. The deep colors and surface gloss (for which a flat scan doesn't do it justice) is what won me over when I obtained the card and probably is what won the grader over the third time around.

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#2011080 - 09/19/12 04:31 PM Re: Guess the grade [Re: bbo]
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Thanks for the info on fisheye and print smudges, does SGC grade similarly? Even on backs? I have about 100 star cards from 70s opc hockey I like to grade but afraid of these imperfections (not sure it is worth it).
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#2011083 - 09/19/12 05:43 PM Re: Guess the grade [Re: CTROOP11]
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My personal opinion is SGC is fairly easy on fisheyes, if it's just one or two and doesn't detract too terribly from the important parts of the card. I would think they are even more lenient on the backs, but I don't spend a lot of time worrying the backs.

Print marks and smudges are an entirely different matter. I think SGC is overly critical of stray print marks and smudges. Many of the 1959 2nd series cards have them (the yellow background cards such as Koufax, and the Rookie Prospect subset, #116-146). Bottom line, if the print defect bugs you, don't grade it. The grader will probably notice it, too.
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