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#2011743 - 10/15/12 04:55 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Ten games remaining. Still got @CHI, @DET, @NE, all potential losses. Also BALT, BUFF and MINN at Reliant. Tough to win all 3 of those. Probably will beat JAX, @TN & INDY, but could easily lose finale @INDY unless it's a must win game.

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#2011744 - 10/15/12 06:07 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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If I were John Elway, I would go down to the sidelines right now and fire John Fox on national TV. Send his pathetic arse to the locker room. There is absolutely no excuse for back to back fumbled punt and kickoff.
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#2011745 - 10/15/12 06:41 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Unnecessary roughness call on Adams and then spiking the ball after the interception. Fox has lost control of his players. Fire his arse!

I hate John Fox!
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#2011746 - 10/15/12 09:23 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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1.) Manning must have said something to his teammates at half time. John Fox sure doesn't have the stones to do it.

2.) Brady could have never done what Manning did in the second half. Never.

3.) If Fox doesn't do something about Denver's fumbles, they have no chance of making it into the post-season.
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#2011747 - 10/15/12 10:37 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I love it when Manning sucks (1st half).

However, Manning is second behind Aaron Rodgers with a 105.0 passer rating (Rodgers is at 105.4). This year, neither one is over rated, so that talk can stop for awhile.

Fox is a bad coach, though I don't know why he's blamed for fumbles. Any player that has handled the ball since Pee Wee Leagues, through HS, College and now pros, but still can't hold on to the pig, why is that player even on the roster? Should never have been drafted. There's a reason Trindon Holliday didn't make an NFL roster last year and a reason he was cut by the Texans this year. He's too small, he's from LSU and he can't play! (Oops, that's three reasons.)

Norv Turner is apparently worse than Fox. What's he ever done? Ever?
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#2011748 - 10/15/12 10:52 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
2.) Brady could have never done what Manning did in the second half. Never.


He came close (down 21 on the road vs. down 24):

Tom Brady has led the New England Patriots on many fourth-quarter comeback wins, but how often does a team come back from 21 points down to defeat the Chicago Bears?

The date was November 10, 2002, and the Bears were beating the Patriots 27-6 in the third quarter. Brady led the Patriots on three different scoring drives, throwing two touchdown passes to Kevin Faulk and one to David Patten.

Brady led the Patriots to outscore the Bears 27-3 in the second half to come away with a 33-30 victory at Chicago.
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#2011749 - 10/16/12 04:34 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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Love how quaterbacks end up getting credit for wins 99 percent of the time. That win goes to the Giants defense not Manning. Did Rivers even sustain one drive in the second half? Pretty sure he didnt.
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#2011750 - 10/16/12 04:53 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Over-rated means not living up to expectations.


o·ver·rate (vr-rt)
tr.v. o·ver·rat·ed, o·ver·rat·ing, o·ver·rates
To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly

Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Payton Manning are not overrated.

Right now, IMO, Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the game today. I think because you guys don't like someone, you get a little blinded by your dislike.

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#2011751 - 10/16/12 09:38 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: gaugman]
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I'm the one DEFENDING Rodgers and Brady. VTG says they are the two most over rated. You are right about one thing: I dislike Manning. Way underperformed expectations coming out of HS and then college. Sure, he puts up numbers, but where are the championships? Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Staubach and Brady all had better leadership qualities and the hardware to prove it. I'd even put Favre, Elway and Eli ahead of Peyton Manning if I had a vote.

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#2011752 - 10/16/12 12:01 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Sure, he puts up numbers, but where are the championships?


You're equating championships with greatness. It doesn't work that way. IMO, Barry Sanders and Tim Brown are the two greatest ever at their position. Sanders retired and cut his career short, otherwise he would be the all-time rushing leader. Brown is second in all-time receiving yards behind Jerry Rice. Then again Brown didn't have two HOF QBs throwing to him either like Rice did (Montana and Young). How many championships did the two of them win (in their professional career)?

Switching sports, if championships equals greatness, then Robert Horry has to be one of the best forwards to ever paly the game, right? After all, he does have 7 championships.


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