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#2011279 - 09/26/12 06:29 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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Mike, I've watched the video over and over again now and I just don't see it that way. But, let's assume for a minute that it happened exactly as you described. Here's where you're still wrong:

 Originally Posted By: bbo
Clearly the GB defender outjumped all other players and caught the ball with both hands. On the way down, the SEA receiver got one hand up under the ball.


If the GB defender had possession of the ball while jumping up in the air, it is not "possession" until he comes down with the ball (hits the ground). By the time they hit the ground, both the receiver and defender clearly had both hands on the ball. Simultaneous catch goes to the receiver. Refs got it right.


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#2011280 - 09/26/12 06:32 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Possession vs. control. Who had it throughout the play?

It just doesn't pass the reasonableness test. GB intercepted the ball. Goodell and the League Office are not about to rule against the on-field officials and change the outcome of the game. The review booth doesn't always get it right, but in this situation, in Seattle, they swallowed their whistles too.

What's ironic, is that anyone who's played football, especially defensive back, in that situation, it's best to knock the ball down and NOT intercept it. Jennings was too good, jumped too high and caught the ball.
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#2011281 - 09/26/12 06:57 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
What's ironic, is that anyone who's played football, especially defensive back, in that situation, it's best to knock the ball down and NOT intercept it. Jennings was too good, jumped too high and caught the ball.


Yeah, but remember what happened in the Houston - Jacksonville game a couple of years ago? Glover Quin tried to bat the ball down in the end zone on a last second Hail Mary attempt and actually volleyed it to a Jacksonville receiver who walked it into the end zone.

I like your earlier statement about how GB should have never been in that position in the first place. Bad call or not, they lost the game themselves. And I think it's great as they are the most over rated team in the NFL and Rodgers is the second most over rated QB to ever play the game (behind Brady).
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#2011282 - 09/26/12 07:05 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I don't know if anyone else really caught it but on the first play from scrimmage Rodgers ran for something like 15 yards or so then he made a little hand gesture and just lOoked cocky as he'll doing it...... Then he proceeded to get sacked 8 times! I personally loved that!
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#2011283 - 09/26/12 07:22 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
...the second most over rated QB to ever play the game (behind Brady).


Now you're just being delusional. Ever heard of Bradshaw (look at his numbers)? Without the best receiving core to ever play on the same team and one of the best running combinations (Harris, Bleir), Bradshaw wouldn't have even been a footnote in history.

As for current QB's, Rivers is below Brady and certainly can't hold a candle to him in W/L record and championships. I'm beginning to think Drew Brees may be a bust from here on out. Without Sean Peyton, he's below average. Romo is clearly behind Brady, but I don't think anyone ever overrated Romo.

Brady was a 6th round pick, so how is he over rated? I'd say he over achieved, if anything. Just look at the QB's taken ahead of him: Chad Pennington (MARSHALL), Chris Redman (LOU), Mark Bulger (WV), Tee Martin (TN). There were a few others taken ahead of Brady in that same class, we've never heard of before or since.

Brady has benefitted from great coaching and some above average skill players, but nothing like Bradshaw benefitted from (Chuch Noll, etal). Brady is not the best, but he's waaaaaay better than you give him credit for.

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#2011557 - 10/07/12 08:15 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
Rodgers is the second most over rated QB to ever play the game (behind Brady).


There goes that over-rated Tom Brady, winning another game over the "great" Peyton Manning. Manning is your over-rated QB. Won only one Super Bowl (Brady has won, what, three?) Four year starter in college that never beat Florida, never won a major bowl game and never won a National championship or the Heisman Trophy. The year after he left TN, Tee Martin led the Vols to the first ever BCS championship. Heck, Peyton is barely the second-best QB in his own family, behind Eli and just ahead of daddy-cakes.

Florida coach Stever Spurrier had one of the greatest one-liners regarding TN (and a swipe at Manning) when he said, "You can't spell Citrus Bowl with out "UT."
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#2011558 - 10/07/12 08:48 PM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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#2011561 - 10/08/12 05:49 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
never won a major bowl game


Brick? Is that you? Did you hijack Mike's account?

Won '96 and '97 Citrus Bowl. Need more?
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#2011562 - 10/08/12 07:23 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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When did the Citrus Bowl become a major bowl. Just a notch or two above the Toilet Bowl.
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#2011568 - 10/08/12 10:04 AM Re: GB vs. Seattle: Did the refs get it right? [Re: brick]
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Agreed. Brick is right. Before the BCS, if it wasn't a New Year's Day Bowl, it wasn't considered a major bowl. Now with the BCS, the four major bowls are spread out over nearly a week. Citrus is still a bowl for rejects.

If I recall correctly, the only major bowl Manning got a sniff of was the Orange Bowl where Nebraska spanked them 42-17.
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