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#2011477 - 10/04/12 04:45 AM Touchdown dance
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After last night, I am not spiking the football yet, but I am working on my touchdown dance.
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#2011478 - 10/04/12 05:13 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: bbo]
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I think somebody finally got exposed last night.
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#2011479 - 10/04/12 05:26 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: trex]
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It appears that all of the wheels have fallen off of the hopey changey bandwagon. TOUCHDOWN!
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#2011480 - 10/04/12 05:33 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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There were two things that I really liked:

1.) When Obama said there were tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas and Romney was very quick to correct him. The look on his face was priceless.

2.) When Romney threw Obama's "green jobs" failures in his face.

Romney took the fight right to him and never backed down. Obama couldn't even look at him. Obama looked as nervous as a whore in church.

Yes, Jim, the failures of the last 4 years were finally exposed.
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#2011485 - 10/04/12 08:30 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Talking about energy policyÖ..

ďHad a friend who said,Ē you donít just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers.Ē


Never underestimate the obama machine, especially when the mainstream press doesn't report anything negative towards obama.

Case and point... The Middle east coverup, Fast and Furious, and any gaff that comes out of his mouth, like saying the situation in the North Africa and the Middle East was a "bump in the road", or condeming the murder or our Libyan ambassador and then flying to Vagas for a compaign rally.

I wouldn't do too much celebrating just yet.

Romney's campaign has to get its act together. Romney has just reset the race.

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#2011486 - 10/04/12 08:57 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: gaugman]
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 Originally Posted By: gaugman
Never underestimate the obama machine, especially when the mainstream press doesn't report anything negative towards obama.


You're exactly right and that's the reason these debates are so important. They let Romney get his point across without the media spin or any media bias or editing.

If you're the average Joe and the media is your only source of information, then all you've heard is how Romney doesn't care about grandma, wants to take away social security, wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy, against Wall Street reform, doesn't care about the middle class, etc, etc, etc. The debates lets folks get to see the real Romney, not the Romney that the media portrays him to be.

That's why he absolutely destroyed Obama last night. Obama didn't know what to do up there without a teleprompter. He looked as sluggish as his failed economy. Next week Ryan gets to make Biden look like an idiot, and that's not too hard.
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#2011489 - 10/04/12 10:12 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: bbo]
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Don't you just know the Obama team is dreading the vice presidential debate next week? They're hoping Biden doesn't get up there and say something stupid. Good luck with that.

It would have been different if Obama had looked stronger in last night's debate and that might have given them a bit of momentum going into the next debate. But after next week the Obama team will have lost two debates in a row and it's going to be very tough for them to recover from that going into the third debate.
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#2011491 - 10/04/12 10:21 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Debates have a way of surprising us, yesterday being a perfect example. No one (except Chris Christie that I heard) predicted such a blowout. This was Da 1985 Bears vs. New England or any of the Denver Broncos blowout losses in the late 1980's.

I am going on record right now to say Biden holds his own and the old man makes Ryan looks geeky and wonky but does nothing else to improve his own image.

I also think Obama will overdo it his next time at bat in two weeks and he comes across looking like a bully. And Romney will school him again. Look, Romney is an MBA, CEO, smart rich guy. He didn't wake up on third base and thought he hit a triple. The man prepares extensively, has incredibly accurate gut instincts and reads people very, very well.

Mark it down. The next Presidential Debate in two weeks will be high theater. Don't miss it.
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#2011492 - 10/04/12 10:42 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
I am going on record right now to say Biden holds his own and the old man makes Ryan looks geeky and wonky but does nothing else to improve his own image.


I think Ryan will school Biden. It will be an even bigger beatdown that Romney gave Obama.
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#2011675 - 10/11/12 04:39 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Right on!!
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#2011677 - 10/11/12 04:46 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: cammb]
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Lol, I'm Canadian, the government takes all my money in taxes for medical care and social programs and we aren't at war! All your topics are MOOT! Goodluck on the election next month.
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#2011680 - 10/11/12 05:02 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: CTROOP11]
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......next they will try to take my guns...........im taking a few with me along the way

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#2011685 - 10/11/12 05:38 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: Blackie]
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Oh ,and we not allowed to have guns!

By the way your law is for gun powder ,single action musket, you can fire 2 rounds a minute if you are good!
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#2011686 - 10/11/12 05:43 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: CTROOP11]
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Lol.... U guys cant have personal firearms?
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#2011691 - 10/11/12 08:08 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: Blackie]
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No of course not,old British law. We can own only a single action rifle/shotgun for hunting with a license. Anything else is a specialty license as a collector,have to belong to a gun club ,and only carry to and from your registered home without stopping anywhere in between. Hard on me since I trained as a small arms instructor in the airborne and can't own anything...bs.
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#2011692 - 10/11/12 08:38 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: CTROOP11]
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Move south.
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#2011693 - 10/11/12 08:38 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: bbo]
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Joe Biden's teeth are so white, Wisconsin basketball coach Bo Ryan offered them a scholarship.
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#2011694 - 10/11/12 08:43 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Debates have a way of surprising us....

I am going on record right now to say Biden holds his own and the old man makes Ryan looks geeky and wonky but does nothing else to improve his own image.


I nailed it.

Biden's interruptions and boisterous activity tonight was a bonus, but also predictable since that's what you have to resort to when you're desperate to make up lost ground. He looked very, very non-presidential, something we already knew.
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#2011729 - 10/14/12 12:47 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: bbo]
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Debates really aren't for people that have already made up their mind who they're voting for, they're for the undecideds. If you've already decided who you're voting for, is there anything the other party can say at this point that would change your mind? I disagree that he held his own. Maybe with his own base that is true, but to the undecideds his behavior was a major turn off and I believe it cost their party a lot of votes. When you interrupt someone 82 times in a 90 minute debate (not including the head shaking, eye rolls and arrogant smiles), that says that you can not run on your merits, you have to resort to desperate measures (as you said above). The CNN poll showed that Ryan won the debate 48% to 44%. The real numbers had to be much higher given the fact that CNN is a liberal news organization.
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#2011731 - 10/14/12 03:39 PM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Debates (arguably) can only hurt the incumbent. It gives equal stage to the challenger. It happened to Bush-41, Bush-43 and Obama, among others. Obama did so bad, Biden could get away with anything and "hold his own" which he did. On the debate merits, it was pretty close to a tie. The segment Biden got hurt with was undecided women, but there are few of those because of the abortion issue. Doubtful many women changed their vote.

Biden was clearly the experienced debater, not letting his opponent get away with anything. Ryan played "prevent defense" and did a good job at it. You could say both camps were successful.

Also worth noting, Martha Raddatz interrupted Ryan something like 36 times and interrupted Biden only 8 times.
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#2011735 - 10/15/12 05:55 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: bbo]
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Biden is a master debator for sure.

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#2012223 - 11/07/12 05:06 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: gaugman]
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 Originally Posted By: gaugman
Never underestimate the obama machine, especially when the mainstream press doesn't report anything negative towards obama.

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#2012224 - 11/07/12 07:10 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: gaugman]
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My predictions for the next three months (by January 31st, 2013):

Market down 4-5 thousand points
Unemployment rises to 14-15% from mass layoffs
Gas nears $6/gallon
Prices of staples (food/basic items) way up
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#2012226 - 11/07/12 08:07 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: gaugman]
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Right on the money
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#2012227 - 11/07/12 08:10 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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My prediction over the next four years is that there will be more people in the wagon than pulling it.
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#2012231 - 11/07/12 09:12 AM Re: Touchdown dance [Re: cammb]
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 Originally Posted By: cammb
My prediction over the next four years is that there will be more people in the wagon than pulling it.


Think we're there now. If not, it's close.

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#2012237 - 11/07/12 01:00 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Dont want to lose either one of you guys, I enjoy you both. Cant you make a wager like one has to send the other a graded card from their rgistry?
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#2012239 - 11/07/12 01:20 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: cammb]
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Cant you find a reasonable solution to whatever this is. Everytime I come on here now you two are going at it over a whole lot of nothing (IMO). Cant we just throw up some cards and have a normal discussion. This is a message board about sports cards not politics or what QB is better etc etc. All of us have favorite teams, differnt opinions and collect differnt things but thats suppose to be a good thing!
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#2012240 - 11/07/12 01:28 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Know-it-alls and bullies always back down when you call their bluff.


Iíll tell you what, I will take your deal if you take mine. In another thread on this board, you said "I haven't wagered money on an athletic contest in over 30 years." If I can prove you a LIAR, you leave the boards immediately, never to return. If I can't prove you a liar, I will leave immediately, never to return. To make this work, Earl has to agree to moderate the deal, verify the proof and pull the plug on the loserís account because I donít trust liars to do what theyíll say. You take my deal, I'll take yours. What do you say toppsgun, deal?


 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
My predictions for the next three months (by January 31st, 2013):

Market down 4-5 thousand points
Unemployment rises to 14-15% from mass layoffs
Gas nears $6/gallon
Prices of staples (food/basic items) way up


My offer came first. Take the deal (or leave it). Lock this thread until January 31, 2013 and see who's right. You shot your mouth off and now you can't back it up. You're not man enough to back it up, so STFU or come back when you can grow a pair. (Won't happen because he knows how stupid his 3-month predictions are now that he's been called out.)
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#2012241 - 11/07/12 01:39 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
My offer came first. Take the deal (or leave it). Lock this thread until January 31, 2013 and see who's right. You shot your mouth off and now you can't back it up. You're not man enough to back it up, so STFU or come back when you can grow a pair. (Won't happen because he knows how stupid his 3-month predictions are now that he's been called out.)


So what if your deal came first. You take my deal and I'll take yours. How could it be more fair? I didn't mouth off. I made some predicitions. You can agree with them or not. You mouthed off and made fun of me losing my bet and tried to make yourself look good by claiming you don't bet money on athletic contests. I'm calling you out. I'm calling you a liar. I can prove it. Take my challenge and I'll prove to the board what a liar you are.
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#2012245 - 11/07/12 02:14 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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You don't have to bet if you don't want to. No reason to be ashamed that you're too scared to put your mouthy economic predictions (not "predicitions") up for scrutiny for all to see. What, did you bet on the election outcome and lost money on that, too? LOL.
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#2012246 - 11/07/12 02:17 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
You don't have to bet if you don't want to. No reason to be ashamed that you're too scared to put your mouthy economic predictions (not "predicitions") up for scrutiny for all to see. What, did you bet on the election outcome and lost money on that, too? LOL.


I didn't say I didn't want to bet. I do, I really do. You're spinning it like you always do. I am certainly willing to accept your bet if you'll accept mine. What could be more fair?
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#2012250 - 11/07/12 03:37 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: 33rdStreet]
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 Originally Posted By: 33rdStreet
Cant you find a reasonable solution to whatever this is. Everytime I come on here now you two are going at it over a whole lot of nothing (IMO). Cant we just throw up some cards and have a normal discussion. This is a message board about sports cards not politics or what QB is better etc etc. All of us have favorite teams, differnt opinions and collect differnt things but thats suppose to be a good thing!


I agree with you. I thought we had found a reasonable solution - simply ignore each other. But BBO can't do it. I thought it was working. I haven't said anything to or about him in days. Then today, I made a statement in this thread that didn't concern him whatsoever and he calls me names (it's on the previous page, just look).

We all come from different parts of the country with different backgrounds. We're all shaped by our life experiences and our opinions. It's okay to disagree about politics, who is the better QB or anything else. And your allowed to have an opinion - as long as it's the same as BBOs. However, if your opinion differs than BBOs, he wants to start name calling and insults. He can't have a difference of opinion without insulting you for disagreeing with him.

I'm not making this up. Look at the threads. Look who started the name calling. It's all there in black and white. Again, I was willing to let everything go, but Mike woke up this morning and decided he wanted to be his usual D!CK HEAD self and start some crap and name calling.

I can promise you this though. It's about to go to a whole new level and it won't be here on the boards.
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#2012252 - 11/07/12 04:12 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Lying again, vintagetoppsguy. You introduced the D!CKHEAD name-calling. You've been warned about it by the moderator, but you insist on repeating it. Now you register as a new member, trying to impersonate me to continue the vulgar name calling. Why? Because you like to look stupid I suppose. Same as you looked predicting the demise of Alabama's BCS title hopes. Same as you looked saying LSU would beat Alabama outright. Same as you looked saying Mississippi State would beat Alabama outright. Same as you looked predicting election outcomes. Same as you look predicting catastrophic economic numbers three months out.

Anyone else see a pattern here on the stupidity meter?
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#2012253 - 11/07/12 04:34 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: bbo]
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There you go again misconstruing the facts. You started with the name calling. Itís all here in this threadÖ

http://www.sgccard.com/boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2011209&page=1#Post2011209

You called me ďstupidĒ on page 9 on 10/18 at 7:44 pm and then called me a ďf*cking idiotĒ on page 11 on 10/19 at 1:41 pm. Itís all there in black and white. Show me where I called you a name BEFORE you called me a name. You canít do it. Why? Because you began the name calling. Nice way to try to spin though.
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#2012254 - 11/07/12 04:58 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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That's because you edited your comments on page 5 of the thread. (Go ahead and look. I'll wait.) Then on page 8 at 8:31PM you chose to get snarky and become the board smart ass, which was a stupid move. For the record and to PROVE you are a LIAR, I typed f****ing idiot (which means freaking idiot). You edited the word in question, using only one "*" to limit it's meaning to an inappropriate message board word that George Carlin couldn't even say on air. You accused me of typing it and calling you a vulgar name. I did not, as we all can plainly see.

This is your message board M.O. Your mouth writes checks you can't cash, then you flame the boards with rhetoric and idiotic, f****ing comments about greatness. More knowledgable posters agree with me and put you in your place and what do you do? You issue challenges to Big John and me. Betting challenges. Playground bully challenges. Pre-pubescient silliness, then wonder why you look like a f****ing idiot.
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#2012255 - 11/07/12 05:17 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
That's because you edited your comments on page 5 of the thread. (Go ahead and look. I'll wait.) Then on page 8 at 8:31PM you chose to get snarky and become the board smart ass, which was a stupid move. For the record and to PROVE you are a LIAR, I typed f****ing idiot (which means freaking idiot). You edited the word in question, using only one "*" to limit it's meaning to an inappropriate message board word that George Carlin couldn't even say on air. You accused me of typing it and calling you a vulgar name. I did not, as we all can plainly see.


I edited my post for spelling, not for calling you a name. I don't care whether you called me "f*cking" idiot, a "freaking" idiot or whatever. You're arguing semantics. My point was that you called me names first. It doesn't matter if it was "f*cking" idiot or "freaking" idiot or anything else. You started it.

Let's fast forward to today though. Things were going really peaceful around here for several days. Why did you feel the need to start back up again with your name calling and insults? I hadn't said or done anything to you. What brought it on?

Edited to add: If "f***ing idiot" means "freaking idiot" why not just type the word "freaking"? Why the astericks? Ok, I'll play along too. The word "D!CK HEAD" really means "DUCK HEAD" so it's not vulgar at all.


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#2012256 - 11/07/12 05:26 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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What brought it on? I wanted a piece of the economic prediction action you espoused. I knew you were a betting man (I am not). So I structured an offer you'd like (betting) with one I like (making you look foolish and eating your words), without wagering currency, which is illegal as a public solicitation in Texas. You might want to keep that in mind. Always consult legal counsel, though, since I may not be an attorney.
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#2012257 - 11/07/12 05:29 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
Edited to add: ...The word "D!CK HEAD" really means "DUCK HEAD" so it's not vulgar at all.


OK, then we're even. Why get all bent out of shape over name calling in the first place, other than to prove who you really are?
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#2012266 - 11/07/12 10:29 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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He has no life and it makes him feel like a big man , I wish they would get rid of that guy, this would be a great board if he were gone.
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#2012287 - 11/08/12 03:40 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Lol the Marine in me read that differnt way to!
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#2012318 - 11/09/12 08:24 AM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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We just started getting Jack in the Box here in Kansas City after an absence of 15 years or more. Love them tacos.

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Alas, the riverboat casinos have killed the sport.

Ok, carry on with the fight.
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#2012320 - 11/09/12 09:10 AM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
I would rather put my money on a sure thing like A&M +13- vs. Bama.


And K-State -7 vs TCU and the over (58)
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#2012323 - 11/09/12 10:51 AM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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At first glance this looks too easy. Lay the points.

TCU has not played well on the road this year going 1-2 both straight up and ATS. What scares me is the health of Klein? He didnít finish the game last week because of an arm injury and also had a possible concussion. I know he is listed as probable but I havenít heard anything about the concussion.
Also, the total has been dropping, opening at 60 and is now at 58. Something about this game scares me.
With that said, Iím a loser so thatís in your favor
I hope they win the game. If you lay the points, I hope you win. Iíll be rooting for you. I always want everyone to win their bets.

Quick story
Years ago (late 90ís) I once went out to watch games on a Sunday with the boyfriend of one of my girlfriendís good friends because my gf wanted her friendís bf and me to get to know each other. He was a Patriots fan and I had a $200 wager on, I think Miami. He was loudly rooting against me the entire game because Miami was in the same division as the Pats. I told him early on that I had money on the game but that didnít matter to him at all. I just didn't think it was right.

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#2012324 - 11/09/12 11:01 AM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: gaugman]
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Trust me, if Klein can play he will. I really think (and no, not just because I'm a KSU fan) that he is one of the toughest players I have ever seen. I remember all last year he played with bloody elbows. His jersey would be stained with blood after the game. It happened week after week. His elbows never had time to heal. He is a tough SOB. Pro QB? Probably not unless he can improve his passing game. But still one tough QB.

Even if he doesn't play, their back-up QB is still pretty decent. He played nearly 2 quarters last week. And KSU has a very good defense. And the over should be pretty easy considering KSU has scored over 50 points in 5 games this year - could have been 6 had Klein played the full game last week.
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#2012325 - 11/09/12 11:25 AM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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No question he's tough kid, but the arm as well as the concussion scares me. I'm reading into the total dropping as a window into his health. He'll play I'm sure, but they're on the road and laying a touchdown, down from 7'

I hope you're right

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#2012329 - 11/09/12 01:50 PM Re: Time to pound sand [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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#2012330 - 11/09/12 02:04 PM Re: How was your trip? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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#2012335 - 11/09/12 03:46 PM Re: How was your trip? [Re: gaugman]
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There are two types of people: Those that talk a bunch of smack and those who back it up. Hands down, Mike is the best smack talker I know. I really thought he would show up. Very disappointing. What happened to your stones, Mike?

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#2012339 - 11/09/12 08:44 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
What? No big talk about "[Bama opponent] should win outright this week since Alabama is so over rated" like the last two weeks vs. Mississipi State and LSU. Tell that to the Citrus Bowl and the Liberty Bowl.


Actually, I do think they'll win outright. I just didn't want to say it because the last two times I did, I jinxed myself. You heard it here first: A&M 17 Bama 13
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#2012340 - 11/09/12 09:04 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Jinxed? So you think Alabama played better or LSU/MSU played worse because you said it out loud or typed it here? I wasn't aware any of those players or coaches read these boards?

Alabama's offense has yet to score less than 33 points, except for LSU. A&M's defense has only held two teams below 13 points all year. But somehow they are expected to work a similar feat in Tuscaloosa on Saturday? There should be some incredibly long odds on that happening, right up there with a double lightning strike and hell freezing over.

I'll alert the media.

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#2012344 - 11/09/12 10:13 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Jinxed? So you think Alabama played better or LSU/MSU played worse because you said it out loud or typed it here? I wasn't aware any of those players or coaches read these boards?

Alabama's offense has yet to score less than 33 points, except for LSU. A&M's defense has only held two teams below 13 points all year. But somehow they are expected to work a similar feat in Tuscaloosa on Saturday? There should be some incredibly long odds on that happening, right up there with a double lightning strike and hell freezing over.

I'll alert the media.



I think MSU shot themselves in the foot with their sloppy play.

1.) Missed FG
2.) 30 yards in penalties on Bama's 2nd TD drive
3.) INT in end zone
4.) Punt that hit the MSU guy in the back
5.) Fumbled kickoff

Do I think MSU is better than Bama? Certainly not. Do I believe MSU could have upset Bama? Absolutely. MSU's sloppy play cost me that bet. If the two teams were to play again tomorrow and the line were still 23, I would take that same bet all day long and probably win 9 out of 10 times.

Likewise, Les Miles' trickery cost them their game as well (but at least they covered). I'm not going to say LSU is better than Bama, but it's pretty darn close.

Is A&M better than Bama? Nope. Can they pull off an upset? Absolutely so. I guess we'll just wait and see tomorrow.
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#2012350 - 11/10/12 05:37 AM Re: How was your trip [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Old proverb: A fool and his money are soon parted.

That's why I choose not to bet on athletic contests. It's so unfavorably skewed and there are too many uncontrollable variables involved, it would soon make me poor and I'd look foolish.

And to set the record straight, that screenshot you produced from JoeStalin (Kevin) doesn't prove that I bet on anything. Nothing of the sort. He is a confirmed and proven liar.

Back to the games at hand. It's obvious to me you're hopin' and prayin' Alabama is upset so other team(s) can move up in the BCS race. That's another thing I learned when I used to gamble in college: keep my emotions far away from my bets. For instance, I never, ever bet on my team. Interestingly, Tom the bookie told me that before I made my first bet and I obliged. I appreciated his honesty in that regard.

I remember in 2007, LSU was ranked #1 and lost in triple overtime at Kentucky. That should have knocked them out of the BCS title game. Then the last game of the year, LSU lost to Arkansas in triple OT, which most certainly should have knocked them out of the BCS title. But that second loss kept them out of the SEC championship, as I recall and enough teams ahead of them lost the next week or in the conference championship games that LSU climbed all the way back up to #2 and ended up winning the title.

Moral of this story? Even if Bama loses a game somewhere, being the defending champ, I suspect the polls and computers will find a way to put them right back in the Big Game. I could envision all of the currently undefeated teams losing one game before bowls start. The pressure on these college kids is immense and they often succumb to it. The higher the climb, the brighter the lights.
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#2012352 - 11/10/12 06:22 AM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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This is pretty funny. SEC Guy is a Bama homer for sure and he calls into various radio shows across the south and lets everyone else have it. With respect to the above comment about smack talk, I actually think this guy takes the crown. No one is left standing after his rant, including the lady co-host. So click on this and enjoy the next 12:19.

Listen to SEC guy http://v4.texags.com/Stories/6832

Also on that webpage, you'll find a link to a radio interview with Broadway Joe Namath regarding today's contest in Tuscaloosa. Joe always sounds drunk to me. Someday, I'll tell a story about him while he played for the Bear regarding a Country Club incident.
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#2012354 - 11/10/12 06:46 AM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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Reviewing the LSU/MSU vs. Bama gridiron contests brings to mind the definition of an excuse, which I once heard in a sermon by a great preacher: An excuse is nothing more than a reason with a lie wrapped around it.

I hope Les Miles and Dan Mullen aren't lying to themselves this week. There's plenty of football left to be played, starting tonight for those two.

There is also the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry tonight when Georgia tries to punch its ticket to the SEC Championship game. In this the 116th contest since 1892, a Georgia win can even the all-time record at 54-54-8. Amazing to play for so long and still not have a clear cut winner. The SID's from those schools need to join a message board somewhere and get this thing settled once and for all.
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#2012355 - 11/10/12 07:55 AM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
I would rather put my money on a sure thing like A&M +13- vs. Bama.


Yogi Berra: "Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future."

Although I do agree the over/under in the TCU/Kstate game is too low.


Total now at 57

WAIT.... 56'


Edited by gaugman (11/10/12 07:57 AM)

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#2012356 - 11/10/12 08:14 AM Re: How was your trip [Re: gaugman]
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Lots of gamblers must be worried about Klein being effective, so the books are trying to drum up some action on the over.
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#2012357 - 11/10/12 08:18 AM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
I hope Les Miles and Dan Mullen aren't lying to themselves this week. [/b][/b] There's plenty of football left to be played, starting tonight for those two.


What does this mean?

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#2012358 - 11/10/12 08:24 AM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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They only reason "the books" would drum up action on the over is because there is too much action being bet on the under.

Now why is that?

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#2012359 - 11/10/12 12:30 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: gaugman]
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 Originally Posted By: gaugman
They only reason "the books" would drum up action on the over is because there is too much action being bet on the under.

Now why is that?


Exactly what I said. A larger number of current bettors lack the belief that Klein will play effectively to match the offensive output of past games (or they believe TCU can hold them in check). So the oddsmakers lower the o/u to entice more people to bet the over, thereby balancing the books.
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#2012360 - 11/10/12 12:33 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: gaugman]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
I hope Les Miles and Dan Mullen aren't lying to themselves this week. [/b][/b] There's plenty of football left to be played, starting tonight for those two.


What does this mean?


If either Les or Dan are making excuses (lying to themselves) rather than coaching their team toward the future, someone is going to miss out on a nice January bowl game.
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#2012361 - 11/10/12 12:55 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: bbo]
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A&M up 7-0 early in the first quarter. They made that TD look easy. What Bama defense?
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#2012366 - 11/10/12 01:31 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
21-0 A&M still in the first quarter. I've said all year, Bama is not the team that everybody thinks they are.


Spoke too soon. The TD was called back, but they got in 2 plays later anyway. Missed extra point though. That 1 point could be costly.

20-0 still in first quarter.


Edited by vintagetoppsguy (11/10/12 01:33 PM)
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#2012367 - 11/10/12 02:18 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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20-14 at halftime. We've got a great game going.
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#2012369 - 11/10/12 04:15 PM Re: How was your trip [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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#2012371 - 11/10/12 06:15 PM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I'm watching the Kansas State game and there is a (2) instead of a (1) next to their name. I hope this problem is fixed by tomorrow night.
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#2012372 - 11/11/12 04:36 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Dave, nice win with A+M. Easy (betting) win last night and I good game too. Did you have the stones to also put a little on the money line at plus 425?

The TCU defence played very well but not well enough to keep it close. Nice win by K St.

Ya don't think Oregon can jump Kansas St. in the polls this week? They put a major hurtin on Cal last night.

Maybe....

Oregon
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#2012375 - 11/11/12 09:29 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: gaugman]
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My thought on poll rankings

KState
N Dame
Oregon
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#2012377 - 11/11/12 02:57 PM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: gaugman]
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Ya don't think Oregon can jump Kansas St. in the polls this week?


I don't think so and here's why. Oregon may be better than Kansas State, I don't know. However, Kansas State has proven why they deserve to be number one by beating 4 ranked teams, 3 of which were on the road. They beat #6, 13, 14 and 24.

Oregon has only beaten 3 ranked teams only one of which were on the road. And those teams were ranked #17, 22 and 23. Oregon hasn't proven why they should be #1.

That's my argument why K-State should be #1.
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#2012378 - 11/11/12 03:38 PM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: KRB]
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My thought on poll rankings

KState
N Dame
Oregon
UGA
Alabama


I agree that Georgia is better than Bama. However, I have to put Bama ahead of them in the polls for the same reason that I put K-State ahead of Oregon - Georgia hasn't yet proven they're better yet (though I think they will real soon).
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#2012379 - 11/11/12 04:09 PM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Waiting for BCS rankings.

Edited by vintagetoppsguy (11/11/12 04:13 PM)
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#2012382 - 11/12/12 04:44 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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1 Kansas State .9674
2 Oregon .9497
3 Notre Dame .9396
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5 Georgia .8328
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#2012383 - 11/12/12 07:09 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: gaugman]
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I hope it stays like this till the end!! Would be an awesome game for National Championship.
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#2012384 - 11/12/12 07:29 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: hitman]
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Oregon still has two tough games ahead of them (Stanford and Oregon St). K-State only has one (Texas). By strength of schedule, Oregon could jump K-State in the rankings if they win both games. If both teams remain unbeaten, it would be a great matchup for the national Championship.
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#2012385 - 11/12/12 07:33 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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All K State and Oregon need to do is win and they are in. I think BCS officials want the SEC out of the Championship game although I don't believe either of these could beat Alabama. If ND played Alabama it would probably be an embarassment.
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#2012386 - 11/12/12 07:54 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: hitman]
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I think an Oregon K State would be boring. You would have to have a Notre Dame or an Alabama to make it national worthy.
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Boring..I don't think so. It may not have the Big market exposure but potentially being one of the best championship games.They must win out and wont be easy but it be the game I would like to see.
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#2012388 - 11/12/12 08:16 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: cammb]
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I know others disagree with me, but I still think Alabama is an overrated team. Don't get me wrong, they are good but they should be 8-2 as LSU should have beaten them. Anybody that watched that game knows LSU outplayed them - even Nick Satan said so after the game. Les Miles decision making cost them that game. They got outplayed by A&M as well. They let a Big 12 team (well, really they are) come to their home field and put a whooping on them with a rookie quarterback. They've been outplayed twice now. What more needs to be said about that?

I think Georgia will beat them in the SEC title game and Bama's name won't be mentioned again. In fact, you heard it here first. Bama finishes the season ranked no higher than number 8.

I disagree that Oregon vs K-State would be boring. I think it would be a pretty evenly matched game. If K-State and oregon remain unbeaten and so does Notre Dame, ND doesn't deserve a shot because they barely won against Pitt in 3 OTs. If Pitt would have missed that chip shot FG, NDs name wouldn't even be considered. I think that says a lot.
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#2012389 - 11/12/12 08:24 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I'm not debating who belongs, I'm just saying you would lose interest in probably 3/4 of the country. You need a big name team as one of the opponents.
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#2012390 - 11/12/12 08:36 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: cammb]
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Both teams have an offense that can put up some pretty big numbers. Unless it's a blowout one way or the other, I really don't see viewers losing interest.

Now, of course you'll have some that won't even watch the game given the two teams playing, but that's how I felt last year. I didn't watch the game. I refused to because I felt Bama did not belong. It wasn't fair that LSU would have had to beat Bama twice in order to win the National Championship, but Bama only had to beat LSU once. I, and many others too, felt it should have been Oklahoma State playing that game.

If K-State goes unbeaten this year and somehow gets a snub from the BCS, I won't watch this year either. I can't wait till they go to a playoff format.
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#2012391 - 11/12/12 08:51 AM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: brick]
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 Originally Posted By: brick
If ND played Alabama it would probably be an embarassment.


I couldn't agree more with brick's proclamation above, but I believe K-St and Oregon could (likely) beat Alabama.
Look at the trouble bama had with the uptempo offense of A&M. I think K-St and Oregon would do the same. Both offenses can score and score fast

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#2012396 - 11/12/12 01:28 PM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Go Optimus-Klein!!!
I agree about 99.9% with the guy above ^^^^^
But feel K-State is gonna put on monstrous numbers.
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#2012581 - 11/17/12 01:34 PM Re: Something is wrong with my TV set [Re: KRB]
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Funny thought occurred to me whilst traveling this week and listening to all the talking heads on satellite radio.

Say the top three all lose one game prior to the end of the regular season. Let's also say Florida upsets Florida State. Unlikely, but in a rivalry game, anything is possible.

Should all that occur and looking at the current BCS standings, that means the winner of the SEC Championship (Alabama or Georgia) would play Florida in the BCS Championship.

Makes perfect sense because SEC football is championship football, for the past 6-7 years anyway, so why change a good thing?
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#2012615 - 11/18/12 02:17 AM Genius! [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
posted 11/10/12 7:37 AM (page 6 of this thread). I could envision all of the currently undefeated teams losing one game before bowls start. The pressure on these college kids is immense and they often succumb to it. The higher the climb, the brighter the lights.


Pure genius.

I'd make a lousy gambler, but when it comes to epic big-time prophetic calls, well, decide for yourself.

Foolish to count chickens before hatched, but now that the door is wide open, does anyone really think Nick Saban and the Crimson Tide players will let Georgia (or Auburn) keep them out of the Title Game?

Of course, if ND loses to USC (pre-season #1 and after losing to UCLA, madder than a wet hen on a Tyson chicken farm truck headed to the slaughter house), one could just cancel the BCS championship game and declare the winner of the Alabama-Georgia game (the real championship) as the 2012 college football king. When these other pretenders start playing a schedule worthy of a champion, i.e., join the SEC like A&M and Mizzou did, let me know.

Texas A&M vs. Alabama rematch, anyone? Probably the two best college football teams at this point in the year anyway. As Ernie Banks was known to say before a doubleheader, "Let's play two."
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#2012616 - 11/18/12 05:53 AM Re: Genius! [Re: bbo]
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Agree. Any team in the SEC would have been a better representative than those pretenders.
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