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#2011920 - 10/21/12 11:19 PM To grade or not yo grade
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Hello! I'm new here and new to grading in general. I've been collecting on and off since my dad and I started in 93 when I was 7 years old. Over the years I've built up a small collection and want to pass it on to my son when he gets older. I have nothing but modern cards ranging from all sports. I want to be able to preserve the cards as best as possible. My question is will getting them graded help preserve them better than the hard cases they are in now? Is there any other reason I should get them graded? Sorry for rambling on and thank you for your help in advance.
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#2011922 - 10/22/12 04:44 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: NAcards]
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Well first you have to figure out what you have and what your intentions are. My advice would be if your collection is mostly modern than figure out what KEY modern cards you have and then find someone you trust to help determine the condition of the card before you send it for grading. I am pretty sure most of us here would tell you that a modern card needs to come back from a grading company as a mint card to really retain value. If value is your only concern my advice would be get rid of the modern and look at getting some vintage stuff. It has been proven to retain value and even increase over time. Or you could just do what I try to do start a collection for your boy in hopes that he will one day decide to start collecting with dear ol dad! My son is starting to come around a little.
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#2011927 - 10/22/12 06:47 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Professional "slab" grading is for preservation and resale, that's about it. Grading runs $6 to $12 per card, so take that into consideration. On the modern stuff (80's and newer), I might grade limited edition, low population cards and maybe autographed cards. Possibly rookie cards of potential HOF'ers.

Pick out your best condition cards that fit the above categories and send 10 or 20 in and see how you do. Word of warning: you may be disappointed the the graders aren't as fond of your cards as you are. That's part of the learning process.

Finally, let us all know how you did. We'll rejoice or cry right along with you. Really.
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#2011930 - 10/22/12 04:09 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: bbo]
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Welcome aboard. If you decide to send in some cards use only one of the top notch companies. SGC is near the top of qualified companies.
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#2011931 - 10/22/12 06:14 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: brick]
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#2011932 - 10/22/12 09:55 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Blackie]
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My main concern is maintaining the cards so if and when I do pass them down they will be in good condition. I don't have any autos worth anything. If anything I have some RC that I would send in. I'll separate what I think is good and bother you guys for your opinion again. Thank You everyone for the awesome answers!
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#2011933 - 10/22/12 10:19 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: NAcards]
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Here is a picture off some off the cards I have.


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#2011936 - 10/23/12 02:00 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: NAcards]
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Welcome NAcards!

Looks like you got a pretty decent modern collection going.

Tell you the truth I wouldn't waste any money on grading. Enjoy them the way they are.

The graded slabs do not offer any better protection for the cards than the holders you now have them in, in fact, IMHO the Graded slabs offer less protection. The cards can move around inside the slab if not handled carefully and thaey can actually damage the card. Those PSA rattle trap holders are the worst.

Plus you have to depend on the trained monkey to put them in the slab in the first place without damaging them.

While the SGC slabs do make for a beautiful presentation of the card. Selling the cards is the only reason to really have cards graded.

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#2011937 - 10/23/12 02:25 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: BigRedOne]
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I agree with BigRedOne, I'd keep all of that the way it is. Nice stuff there, that Puckett looks real nice, a modern favorite of mine. Ripped open alot of those!
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#2011939 - 10/23/12 05:12 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Make it three. I wouldn't slab em. Save the money it would cost to have em graded and put it into more cards and leave em they way they are.

And, welcome to the board.


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#2011942 - 10/23/12 07:57 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: trex]
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I always liked the look of the 87 fleer cards.

I think I still have a few boxes of those hiding in this place somewhere.

If you need to make a set of those 87 Fleers LMK.


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#2011996 - 10/25/12 01:52 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: BigRedOne]
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Thanks a lot guys! Again I appreciate the help. I'll defiantly pass on the grading and work on my collection. I'll defiantly share if I get anything good or if I have any questions.

@ingredient Thanks for the offer! I'll defiantly keep that in mind.

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#2013936 - 12/25/12 10:17 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: NAcards]
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I had this card for a while.
1958 Mickey Mantle #150
Been wondering if to leave it raw, or grade it?
And if i did, what could i expect?
And NO, i did not pay the ridiculous 1K for it, LOL



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#2013938 - 12/25/12 10:37 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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My favorite Mantle card!
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#2013940 - 12/25/12 10:49 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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Pretty difficult to tell from that scan, but when in doubt, grade all Mantle cards.
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#2013944 - 12/25/12 11:17 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Pretty difficult to tell from that scan, but when in doubt, grade all Mantle cards.


At least all regular issue cards during his playing days and yours is on that list.
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#2013947 - 12/25/12 12:07 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: FYS]
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At 1 time, i had a few folks looking for a raw version, so i just kept and didn't send it in last time.
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#2013950 - 12/25/12 12:17 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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 Originally Posted By: KRB
At 1 time, i had a few folks looking for a raw version, so i just kept and didn't send it in last time.


Even raw folks should appreciate a TPG giving it a grade and confirming that it is not altered. Both accounts have subjectivity, but better than running through life raw dogging it. They can always crack it out and tape the label on the back of the card saver. I have a few of those.
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#2013960 - 12/27/12 07:31 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: FYS]
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Looks like a "4" from here. Probably get your fee $ back and a few bucks more if slabbed if you plan on selling it
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#2013970 - 12/27/12 02:45 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Mintacular]
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Just requested a submission kit. I will be sending this card in. Thanks everyone that replied.
Perhaps I could do a guess this grade on this card?
But probably got to wait a good month or 2 before i respond back. Im hoping it be a 6 or better.
This weekend, i hope to put up better pics, i have a wi-fi all-in-one, but have not figured how to scan wirelessly from it. SO i just take pics from a camera.


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#2013971 - 12/27/12 03:35 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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Good luck and I would grade it for sure, nice Mantle. Post up better pics please but just from that one im not sure it will make a 80/6.
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#2013979 - 12/28/12 06:24 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: FYS]
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 Originally Posted By: FYS
Even raw folks should appreciate a TPG giving it a grade and confirming that it is not altered.


For the most part I am one of those raw folks, but as FYS said, I would grade any regular issue Mantle.
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#2014081 - 12/29/12 12:02 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I learned to scan, but may need work on enlarging pics to paint
1st attempt:
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#2014083 - 12/29/12 12:08 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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first off thats a nice Mantle any way you look at it. IF you look at my SGC 60 you can see its quite off center ....it brought in a SGC 60.......I also posted a pic of my SGC 20......

Looking at your card im thinking it should range out in SGC 40-50 range brother

SGC 20


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#2014084 - 12/29/12 12:08 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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2nd attempt to re-sizing:
How i go about making it BIGGER?


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#2014085 - 12/29/12 12:09 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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Looks SGC 50-ish, which is around a $200-$220 card. Worth grading.
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#2014086 - 12/29/12 12:09 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: FYS]
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 Originally Posted By: FYS
Looks SGC 50-ish, which is around a $200-$220 card. Worth grading.


GRADE IT! I agree
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#2014088 - 12/29/12 12:45 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Blackie]
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U needa to do the "CROP" thing on your scanner to eliminate the "extra" area in the scan. This should cause the scanned image to be larger. Also - once you have the image cropped and scanned then Google Picassa is a pretty nice free photo editor.
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#2014090 - 12/29/12 12:59 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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 Originally Posted By: Toledo Mudhen
U needa to do the "CROP" thing on your scanner to eliminate the "extra" area in the scan. This should cause the scanned image to be larger. Also - once you have the image cropped and scanned then Google Picassa is a pretty nice free photo editor.


Thanks. I will try this.
My 3rd attempt:
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#2014091 - 12/29/12 01:00 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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Nice!
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#2014146 - 12/30/12 09:09 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Blackie]
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Very Nice mantle! thanks for posting!
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#2014170 - 12/31/12 08:44 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Blackie]
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Cool. I only own two Mantles, and that year is one of them:
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#2014177 - 12/31/12 10:46 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: royalbrett]
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1958!!!
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#2014181 - 12/31/12 11:14 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Blackie]
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Another sweet 58 Mantle! Congrats thats a great card!
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#2014184 - 12/31/12 01:15 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Blackie]
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Mantle rules the card kingdom!!!!!!!!!
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#2014186 - 12/31/12 01:37 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: cammb]
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Just got my submission kit in the mail...Mine is defintely going to be sent in.
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#2014294 - 01/02/13 01:12 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: trex]
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Hi, first time posting. I purchased the card above (1948 leaf dimaggio) on a respectable online auction house with the description of it being trimmed. The scans looked great so I inquired more about the card. I was told by the owner of the company that there was evidence pointing to the card being cut from an uncut sheet, not maliciously trimmed to improve its condition. My question is that I have a bunch if vintage I have ready to send to sgc but I wasn't sure if I should just ask for the dimaggio to be authenticated off the bat and slabbed or should I try to have it get a numerical grade and if it is found altered then it would still be slabbed in authentic case..? Would sgc give it a numerical grade if the dimensions were not exact because it was manually cut? Thank you for the input...

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#2014295 - 01/02/13 01:23 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: trex]
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Hi, first time posting. I purchased the card above (1948 leaf dimaggio) on a respectable online auction house with the description of it being trimmed. The scans looked great so I inquired more about the card. I was told by the owner of the company that there was evidence pointing to the card being cut from an uncut sheet, not maliciously trimmed to improve its condition. My question is that I have a bunch if vintage I have ready to send to sgc but I wasn't sure if I should just ask for the dimaggio to be authenticated off the bat and slabbed or should I try to have it get a numerical grade and if it is found altered then it would still be slabbed in authentic case..? Would sgc give it a numerical grade if the dimensions were not exact because it was manually cut? Thank you for the input...

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#2014296 - 01/02/13 01:28 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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Hi and welcome to the boards!

Nice Dimaggio.

On the grading, it does not matter who or when it was cut if SGC or PSA for that matter determine it was cut/trimmed it will always grade an Auth. A card does not always have to match the standard size but it must have a factory cut in order to grade a number.

I think your Dimaggio is well worth grading even if it gets an Auth, valuable card in any grade. The added value graded in this case is a future buyer will know they are getting a real 1948 Leaf Dimaggio and that added piece of mind on an expensive card is worth it.

Plus that card will pop in an SGC slab!


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#2014297 - 01/02/13 01:35 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: SMtJoy]
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Thanks.... I'll probably just ask for it to be authenticated and not even waste their time trying to grade it first. It's really a great card despite the fact it being manually cut... No creases, corners are nice and edges. They said it didn't appear to be cut recently so it does have an aged look to it and it's not unusually crisp for its age. I will try to post pics when I get my order back when I submit. I held off on submitting because it was either the dimaggio or submitting my cards. I picked the dimaggio. Off the top of your head does sgc always run monthly specials? I was gonna try to take advantage of Decembers specials but gonna wait for another special...
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#2014304 - 01/02/13 01:51 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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I recommend submitting it.
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#2014306 - 01/02/13 01:55 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: bbo]
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I plan on sending it... I purchased it from a very reputable site and if by chance it came back not authentic I know they would give me a full refund, but I'm not worried about it not being the real deal... Thanks
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#2014308 - 01/02/13 02:18 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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Good to here Scott.

When sending it in, it is the same to ask for grading or authentication, you will need to check the box to slab any card even if its an Auth thou. Worth doing because SGC might determine it is a factory cut and it will get a number, I have had a small number I though might be trimmed come back graded.

On the specials, they do change every month. So be prepared to wait a few months to send in cards under a special, imo its worth the wait.

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#2014309 - 01/02/13 02:31 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: SMtJoy]
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 Originally Posted By: SMtJoy


On the grading, it does not matter who or when it was cut if SGC or PSA for that matter determine it was cut/trimmed it will always grade an Auth.


Unless it is a T206 Wagner, then different rules may apply.
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#2014314 - 01/02/13 04:36 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: FYS]
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#2014327 - 01/03/13 06:30 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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Stop whatever it is you're currently doing, run to the phone, call the place you got it from and tell them you want to return it for a full refund. That card is a fake! It couldn't be any more fake. The colors are all wrong. I know there are sometimes color variations in baseball cards, but that isn't the case with this one. Look below. I've put yours side by side to one that is graded by PSA. Notice the color differences? The most noticable telltale sign in the cap. It is the same color as the sleeves. It should be much darker blue - almost black. Look at any other '48 Leaf DiMaggio - you'll see they're all the same - blueish/black cap. No way the sleeves should be the same color as the hat. Good luck!

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#2014330 - 01/03/13 06:36 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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According to eBay, that card is the 4th most commonly counterfeited card.

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Sports-Cards-Memorabilia/Vintage-Sports-Card/410561363
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#2014331 - 01/03/13 06:39 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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One last thing, if you've never returned a card for a refund, you may want to educate yourself on that so you do not get burned. There are procedures that you have to follow to ensure you get your money back. Plenty of board members here (myself included) will be happy to help you. Just let us know.
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#2014332 - 01/03/13 06:58 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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It's not fake... The 1948/49 leaf set had a terrible coloring procedure... Therefore there are a lot of what seems to be variations in color scheme... I've seen the background yellow on the dimaggio and bright green... I know for sure it is not a reproduction but thank you for your concern
Check out these ... And they are all graded

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Original...=item2579423dfb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-1-Joe-...=item484704197f

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-1-Joe-...=item1e71c97b10

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-1949-Leaf-J...=item337ee7d628


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#2014333 - 01/03/13 07:10 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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OH BOY!!

Setting here at work, now I am worried about mine and want to break away to go look at mine.

I DID get mine over 20 years ago. does that matter?

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#2014335 - 01/03/13 07:27 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: K-Nole]
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There are a lot of variations in color with the dimaggio... Hat( blue or black), background.....

Check this out
http://www.obaks.com/vintagebaseballcards/4849l.html


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#2014336 - 01/03/13 07:41 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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Interesting. I've never seen that card where the sleeves match the cap, but obviously there are other known examples. It seems to me that the black cap is way more common than the blue cap. To me, that should be catalogued as a variation. If it were only a minor color variation, I would guess maybe the ink was running low and what was supposed to be black turned out blue. But it's not a minor color variation. It's a totally different color. Again, I'm not sure why that's not catalouged as a variation. Good luck with your submission and let us know how it turns out.
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#2014337 - 01/03/13 08:19 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: K-Nole]
SMtJoy
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It is an issues with a lot of reprints but I usually look for cropped picture more so because the colors can vary a lot. I think its real but im no expert, another reason to send it to SGC and get it slabbed.
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#2014338 - 01/03/13 08:51 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: SMtJoy]
Scottgia3
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I'm gonna send it within the next two months and I'll post pics... Thanks... FYI, I emailed the owner of the company who says without doubt it is 100percent real... Thanks agaib
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#2014339 - 01/03/13 08:56 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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Thankfully, sounds like disaster averted. Too bad this had to be aired out in full view. If it were me, I'd have preferred PM or email rather than false fire alarms in a crowded theater. You may feel differently. Sounds like you've got it well in hand, regardless. Carry on.
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#2014340 - 01/03/13 08:58 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
cammb
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I have collected this issue and believe me there are so many color variations that it would be impossible to list. However, that should be listed as a color variation because of the cap. There is one listed now, #42. I believe that the Dimaggio should be listed as a major color variation.
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#2014345 - 01/03/13 10:21 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: cammb]
Scottgia3
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Thanks for everyone's insights And I know it was done with good intentions...
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#2014347 - 01/03/13 10:35 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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I know no one on this forum wants to see anyone spend hard earned money on a reprint or fake. I know the amount of Exhibit fakes out there is unreal, I always hate telling someone his Mantle exhibit is fake, tough lesson to learn.
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#2014350 - 01/03/13 11:00 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: SMtJoy]
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 Originally Posted By: SMtJoy
I know no one on this forum wants to see anyone spend hard earned money on a reprint or fake. I know the amount of Exhibit fakes out there is unreal, I always hate telling someone his Mantle exhibit is fake, tough lesson to learn.


+1

A lot of us have seen it many times here (and other chat boards such as Net54) when a board member shows off a new card purchase, only to find out it's a fake. There's no shame in it.

However, when this happens time is of the essence to get your money back - especially if it's an eBay purchase where the buyer protection is only good for a certain amount of time.

Most all of us have been taken at one point or another. A couple of ones that come to mind just off the top of my head were the fake Cobb auto that Joey purchased and the T206 Tinker reprint that Pat purchased. It happens even to hobby veterans.

Heck, I purchased a '57 Clemente that looked NM in every way and when I posted a scan Pat showed me a crease on the back that I had overlooked so I returned it for a refund. That card wasn't a reprint, but my point is that some times it helps when other people look at your stuff because you might miss what others may see.
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#2014355 - 01/03/13 11:33 AM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
Scottgia3
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Let me also say I've just joined a few days ago and I've already gotten so much more and better advice than any other sites I've been on ( one that starts with B for example)
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#2014370 - 01/03/13 02:27 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: Scottgia3]
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I learned a few things here and there. Just learned something new. Thanks SMTJoy
When in doubt, come and ask around. I done so and it has helped me in some spots. and thanks Blackie.
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#2014421 - 01/04/13 02:27 PM Re: To grade or not yo grade [Re: KRB]
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That goes double for me.

Heck, I have been here a WEEK and already have more knowledge then I got thru YEARS of collecting. Mostly from Blackie, but others by just reading their posts.

2 things, I worry if I get screwed before, AND, I now know to come here before making any transactions and just simply ask. Folks on here are just so dang cool and honest.

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