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#2012475 - 11/15/12 09:38 AM Most outdated part of the Hobby?
33rdStreet
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My vote goes to any Beckett price guide which is sad considering I counted the days till it hit the shelves as a kid! Lived and died by the hot and cold lists.
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#2012476 - 11/15/12 09:47 AM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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The price guide is not a factor to me. I don't collect anything modern, so I don't have to worry about the prices fluctuating. I only collect pre-'73, so I can buy one price guide a year and rely on that (for the most part) because the prices on older stuff really doesn't change much.

The most outdated part of the hobby to me is seeing the same old dealers at shows selling the same old cards they did 15-20 years ago. It's like they're stuck in time. You know they type - the ones with the '84 Strawberry, '85 Puckett, '86 Canseco, etc sitting in their display case with maybe a few old cards (but no really big names) that are VG/EX at best and priced at full book.
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#2012478 - 11/15/12 10:12 AM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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We all know those guys but if they go the small show goes to. I know alot if us don't even hit shows anymore but I think they are great for meeting collectors and maybe just maybe bringing in new ones. I went to little show in Glen Burnie MD this past weekend, maybe 35 tables, nothing I collect any more was there but it was full of Oriole fans....I am a rabid O's fan. I bought one card thinking it would help Rob (blackie) out on his 58 set and talked for about 2 hours on weather the O's could repeat the year. Even ran into an older guy who claimed to be Probstiens father ( had the card and everything). Kids all over with dads looking at new stuff made me smile.

You hit the nail on the head though regarding their same ol inventory lol my wife just said ( how come you hardly look at each table). I told here just what you said.... Same ol stuff, these shows hardly ever have what I look for. I go anyway though

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#2012479 - 11/15/12 10:32 AM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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I love the small shows. There is one on the north side of Houston every third Saturday of the month (maybe 20 tables). In fact, I'm going this weekend. That show has been going on since at least 1998 (that's when I learned about it), so it's been around for 14 years now.

I think some of the dealers have the same old inventory they did in 1998. Almost all of them have the same inventory they had at the last show and the show before that and the show before that and so on. There is one dealer that I go there to see because his prices are very reasonable and he turns over his inventory frequently.

When I arrive at the show, I make a bee line straight to his table. I check out his new inventory, buy some stuff and I leave. I look around at the other dealer's tables about every third show because I already know what they'll have, so why bother?

Some of the other dealers there have asked the dealer that I buy from, "Why doesn't he ever buy from us?" The answer is simple: Get some fresh inventory and be realistic on your prices and I would love to buy from them. Until then, not happening and I don't see them changing anytime soon.

Edited to correct my math.


Edited by vintagetoppsguy (11/15/12 10:50 AM)
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#2012480 - 11/15/12 10:41 AM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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SMR comes to mind.

Shows are good but I know what you mean with how some show dealers sell their cards....

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#2012509 - 11/16/12 03:21 AM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: aconte]
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I think it is ME.

Im always longing for the old school past.

I would like to go to some card shows just to be able to see the cards in person and not have to depend on internet descriptions that are more times than not, inaccurate. Even some of the graded cards I crack out have been let downs.

The problem in my rual are there just are not any of these shows around any more. Driving 200 miles to Chicago is just out of the question.


Price guides? Those things were out dated to me 25-30 years ago when they first came out.

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#2012601 - 11/17/12 10:02 PM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: BigRedOne]
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thinking you wont get trimmed graded cards
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#2012602 - 11/17/12 10:10 PM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: red_elephant]
33rdStreet
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Kinda sad that even a graded card isn't safe anymore
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#2012603 - 11/17/12 10:16 PM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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 Originally Posted By: 33rdStreet
Kinda sad that even a graded card isn't safe anymore


sadder for me ... took me 10 seconds with a loop to see how the top and bottom WHITE edges were cut recently with a sharp blade, while the other 2 sides had 30 year old roughness and yellowing age ... give this a grade 9 & $500 price tag ... POS is going back

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#2012604 - 11/17/12 10:19 PM Re: Most outdated part of the Hobby? [Re: red_elephant]
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 Originally Posted By: red_elephant
thinking you wont get trimmed graded cards


This is what really turned me off graded cards and decide to focus more on raw. I bought a '62 Topps SGC 88 Al Spangler high number for my Colt .45s/Astros collection and when I cracked it out I could immediately tell it had been trimmed. I looped it just to confirm and my suspicions were correct. I consider SGC the best in the business and I know that even the best are going to make mistakes, but that card was such an obvious trim job that I knew I couldn't rely on grading anymore. I've been doing this for 26 years now (since 1986) and it's just easier to spot a trimmed (or altered) card out of the slab than it is inside the slab, so I'll stick with raw cards.
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