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#2012793 - 11/23/12 05:03 AM Grading mid-grade vintage??
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have been reading the forum off and on for a while but have never posted. I realize part of what I am asking is repetitive, but I want your opinions of my specific case.

I collect vintage baseball. I recently completed a 1953 Topps set. It probably averages out mid-grade overall, with some a little better, some a little worse. Some of the set is graded, but most of it is raw. Most of the major star cards are graded, but not all. Now, I have a 1950 Bowman set underway. I recently purchased the Jackie Robinson in the set. It is raw and probably grades out ex/ex+. Would I be wasting my time and money getting it (and those 1953 Topps stars) graded? I am a collector, not a dealer. I love the hobby and am not looking to sell. I know this stuff is solid,mid grade,probably in the 4.5-6.5 range. I have collected for20+ years. I have had experience with third party grading, most of it PSA. If I do anymore grading, it will be with SGC. I know many of you have some definite opinions on this subject. What do you think about my case??

Generally speaking, I like 1950s baseball. Most of the stuff I collect, I can afford mid-grade or sometimes a little better. I look for cards free of creases, markings, stains, etc. I have learned to live with a little corner/edge wear. Sometimes I compromise on centering if it is the right card. I buy raw or graded, it just depends on the situation. I will never be hung up on registry sets, but I often have my stars graded and commons ungraded.

Sorry to ramble! What do you guys think? Send to SGC or not???

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#2012809 - 11/23/12 02:32 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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I think its always smart to get the stars graded from mainstream 50-60's sets, that's what I do even if mid grade or less. It protects them, lets you share them with others and if anything ever happens to you it will help the person selling them off get the most for them.

I have my personal cards from growing up all graded and I love that I can hand them to my nieces and nephews and let them look at them and not worry. Here are a few-



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#2012810 - 11/23/12 02:35 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: SMtJoy]
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Beautiful Clemente cards Scott!
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#2012814 - 11/23/12 03:17 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: SMtJoy]
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Love the Clementes!! Thanks for your reply. You actualy made me feel better. I really try and focus on getting higher grade stars and either buy them graded or get them graded..I will use SGC for that. That is what I did with the 53 Topps...I still have a few stars to get graded. As I start this 50 Bowman set, I am making sure the stars are graded. The commons I can get pretty cheaply in the EX range for not much money. If I find graded commons cheap enough, I will buy them. Otherwise, I buy raw, respectable commons in the EX range for not much money. I know some grade their entire sets, which is great if you have the $$. I can't really afford to do that, especially since many commons aren't worth much more than what it costs to grade them. To each his own on that. I love this hobby and don't believe there is a wrong way to do it.
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#2012818 - 11/23/12 04:18 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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You last statement pretty much sums it up!
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#2012819 - 11/23/12 04:19 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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That 63 fleer is real nice!
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#2012822 - 11/23/12 05:09 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Thanks, 33rd. These SGC forums are terrific! Where I live, there are next to no card shops. Add to that the fact that of all my friends, I only have one who is a collector. My wife basically tolerates my hobby at best. It is my passion, and I very seldom ever have anyone to talk to about it.
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#2012823 - 11/23/12 05:09 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagebaseball
Thanks, 33rd. These SGC forums are terrific! Where I live, there are next to no card shops. Add to that the fact that of all my friends, I only have one who is a collector. My wife basically tolerates my hobby at best. It is my passion, and I very seldom ever have anyone to talk to about it.


Im in the same boat as you are. The last card shop we had closed around 4 years or so ago. It was sad. Ebay and the boards are the only way i can get cards anymore.
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#2012824 - 11/23/12 05:10 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Oh, and how do I lose the term "stranger" and get "enthusiast?"
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#2012825 - 11/23/12 05:11 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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When you get more posts your title will change
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#2012826 - 11/23/12 05:11 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagebaseball

I recently completed a 1953 Topps set. It probably averages out mid-grade overall. Most of the major star cards are graded, but not all. Now, I have a 1950 Bowman set underway. Would I be wasting my time and money getting it (and those 1953 Topps stars) graded?
Sorry to ramble! What do you guys think? Send to SGC or not???


Well, both the 50 Bowman and 53 Topps EX commons go for around $8-$20 graded EX. So, it is not like they are not at least worth the grading fees, even for commons.

On the SGC registry, there are two 50B and one 53T mid level graded sets completed, so you could actually compete with these for a top 1, 2 or 3 status, which could be cool if you like that.

Personally, I have gone from all raw, to all graded to now a mixture with more raw than graded. I became disenfranchised to some extent with all 9's not being created equal and 10's being mass produced and also not being created equal. Basically, on any given day a card could be a 9 or a 10 or an 8 or 9 and the prices are so drastically different. Common prices (both what a 9 or 10 can command and the cost of grading a common) for these are a bit ridiculous in the scheme of things. Mid-grade stuff is graded pretty well/consistent, which is nice i.e. not getting into the ridiculous part of grading. I still do like the stars graded for protection, presentation and resale.

Whatever you do, you can't go wrong if you do what you like and have fun! My vote, would be to send the stars in and post the scans.
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#2012827 - 11/23/12 05:13 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: Blackie]
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I understand...whenever my wife and I go out of town, I look for shops ahead of time. There is one shop left near me...about an hour away. Were it not for ebay, I would be out of luck. Ironically, ebay is probably the reason for that, along with the internet in general. I love the ability to buy all over the country, but there is no substitute for being able to shuffle through cards and handle them yourself.
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#2012828 - 11/23/12 05:18 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: FYS]
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FYS, I think you and I are on the same wavelength!! In a perfect world, I would go all raw. However, things being what they are, some third party grading is necessary. I also have a mixture of graded and raw. The inconsistencies among the TPG's are very disturbing. I don't see myself ever in 8, 9, and 10 stratosphere. I am more of a 5-7 guy I think. And you are right about the commons'value...I was being tongue and cheek I guess.
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#2012829 - 11/23/12 05:24 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: Blackie]
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I'm lucky, Im from Baltimore. Plenty around here, nice size shows everynow and then and I'm stationed up the road at Camp Lejeune. I can quench my thirst for the hobby by doing it the old fashion way, hunting the cards down. Not that I dont go the eBay route, it's great typing in a few words and having a selection to bid on!
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#2012830 - 11/23/12 05:34 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Count yourself lucky. On the rare occassions I make it into a real shop, I nearly OD!!
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#2012831 - 11/23/12 05:39 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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I go into a shop only when I'm really craving a card or maybe to buy the rare new product. A good show is where I generally od!! I'll spend hours at a show looking for good buys. I like buying from dealers I trust I have few out there that are regulars at shows I drag my wife to.
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#2012832 - 11/23/12 05:41 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Daryl what does your wife think about your collecting?............mine throws a fit most of the time.
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#2012833 - 11/23/12 05:43 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: Blackie]
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My wife hates my collecting, too. From time to time, she shows a little interest but calls it a waste of money!!
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#2012834 - 11/23/12 06:07 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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Mine about had a heart attack watching me buy a Banks rookie at the National this year but did walk the floor for 6 plus hours without complaining once and she even helps me look now.
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#2012835 - 11/23/12 06:11 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Good stuff Daryl, better keep her bro
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#2012836 - 11/23/12 06:11 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: Blackie]
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I plan on it
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#2012837 - 11/23/12 06:20 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Absolutely, I wish my wife would be interested like that. She likes baseball. She's an accountant and can't get by the money end of it!!
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#2012838 - 11/23/12 06:24 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: vintagebaseball]
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Lol yeah the money end took me awhile. Shes seen me turn a few things over though and understands that the bulk of what I buy has some staying power. She did shutter once or twice seeing the money change hands on an Aaron rookie I've always wanted and got myself as a deployment present. I'm an O's fan though an I can usually satify my craving for new stuff cheap
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#2012839 - 11/23/12 06:27 PM Re: Grading mid-grade vintage?? [Re: 33rdStreet]
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I understand the deployment present. My 58 set start was my deployment present.
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