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#2013039 - 11/30/12 04:43 PM Bad, bad, bad, bad.....
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Mastro = guilty plea ---- PSA?

Wonder why PSA was not mentioned in this article?
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#2013040 - 11/30/12 04:47 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: DrD]
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Wow!
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#2013042 - 11/30/12 04:58 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: DrD]
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I am shocked! Utterly and completely shocked, I tell you!! \:o How could this happen when the President of the company that graded the card signs off on every one of his SMR editorials with the moniker, "Never get cheated."
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#2013043 - 11/30/12 05:35 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: bbo]
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Is it really news that the Wagner was trimmed? That's been known for awhile
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#2013044 - 11/30/12 05:42 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: 33rdStreet]
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I know its been said alot but really how many other high end HOF rookies and star cards do you think are altered in some way?
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#2013045 - 11/30/12 05:48 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
I am shocked! Utterly and completely shocked, I tell you!! \:o How could this happen when the President of the company that graded the card signs off on every one of his SMR editorials with the moniker, "Never get cheated."


Mastro is obviously a P.O.S, but if a TPG knowingly slabs a trimmed card and puts a grade on it, despite it being against written policy, have any liability or onus?
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#2013046 - 11/30/12 05:54 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: DrD]
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 Originally Posted By: DrD
Mastro = guilty plea ---- PSA?

Wonder why PSA was not mentioned in this article?


We shall see what the plea agreement states. Whether it is industry clout or power or what, seems as if Mastro would have tried some argument that the authenticators are to blame on this i.e. who cares if I alter, other people are paid to say it is altered or not. Although maybe true, Mastro would likely be chastised even more with that argument so chose the honorable route and simply admits guilt.
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#2013050 - 11/30/12 06:56 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: FYS]
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Something in the back of my memory banks tells me that PSA once tried to use the "out" that they only render an opinion, but some judge said, No. They hold themselves out to the public as an expert authenticator and therefore, can't have it both ways.

The company and to some extent the entire hobby was built upon this Wagner card being legitimate. The plea bargain brings all of that into clear question now. It's the smoking gun. Why can't they all be prosecuted on the RICO statutes? (Conspiring as organized crime.)
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#2013052 - 11/30/12 07:30 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Something in the back of my memory banks tells me that PSA once tried to use the "out" that they only render an opinion, but some judge said, No. They hold themselves out to the public as an expert authenticator and therefore, can't have it both ways.

The company and to some extent the entire hobby was built upon this Wagner card being legitimate. The plea bargain brings all of that into clear question now. It's the smoking gun. Why can't they all be prosecuted on the RICO statutes? (Conspiring as organized crime.)


There ya go.
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#2013053 - 11/30/12 07:47 PM Re: Bad, bad, bad, bad..... [Re: trex]
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 Originally Posted By: bbo
Something in the back of my memory banks tells me that PSA once tried to use the "out" that they only render an opinion, but some judge said, No. They hold themselves out to the public as an expert authenticator and therefore, can't have it both ways.

The company and to some extent the entire hobby was built upon this Wagner card being legitimate. The plea bargain brings all of that into clear question now. It's the smoking gun. Why can't they all be prosecuted on the RICO statutes? (Conspiring as organized crime.)


There ya go.


If Mastro is going to get in trouble for selling the card and not divulging the fact that it was altered in auctions and not the actual act of the alteration, how many others have sold the card and either knew it was altered or was aware there was enough smoke about the card being altered and the honorable thing to do would note that fact, but they stood mute?
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