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#2013089 - 12/01/12 05:24 PM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Kaat is kinda like Mussina probably deserving but when judged by the great arms of his time he's in the back. Both of them were great fielders to. Although I'm thinking Moose makes it in around his 5th year or so
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#2013094 - 12/01/12 05:32 PM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Very true Daryl
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#2013113 - 12/01/12 07:58 PM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: FYS]
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My vote would go to Oliva, Kaat and Richie Allen.
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#2013133 - 12/02/12 04:44 AM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: 33rdStreet]
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 Originally Posted By: 33rdStreet
What about Tony oliva, that guy could hit he just had the misfortune to have his prime smack dab in the pitching era. I mean Yaz 301 wins a batting title lol CMON!


He would have made it if he had never gotten hurt. Great hitter

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#2013139 - 12/02/12 06:25 AM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: FYS]
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 Originally Posted By: FYS
On the MLB channel today, they rebroadcasted their top 40 players not in the hall.

Morris - 2
Trammell - 7
Whitaker - 23



I put Morris behind them. He gets too much credit for 1991 WS, take a look at his other WS performances. Also most wins in the 80's is over rated due to pitching on the winningest team of the 80's and the extreme lack of quality pitchers that pitched from 1980-1989. Just within Tiger pitchers alone, I'd choose Lolich over Morris.

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#2013141 - 12/02/12 06:26 AM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: cammb]
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 Originally Posted By: cammb
My vote would go to Oliva, Kaat and Richie Allen.


Olivia and Allen yes. I'm not sure about Kaat. What about Tommy John?

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#2013143 - 12/02/12 07:10 AM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: brewing]
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What about Tommy John?


I'm surprised this is the first someone has mentioned him. I personally think all these players listed are very good, but none good enough.
That's not to say some are not as good as players who have already been inducted. I just think some that are in donít belong.

I'll give you a player, a 2nd basemen, who belongs ahead of Mazeroski. Bobby Grich

Players Iíd take out: This ought to tick some people off but this is what makes baseball great, the debate.

Santo, Blyleven, Dawson, Rice, Gossage, Sutter, Winfield, Puckett, Mazeroski, and thatís only since 2001. They are all very good players, but are they all time greats?
Someone might be able to change my mind on one or two. Iím listening

Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. I wouldnít want my daughter to marry him or have my son grow up to be just like him but he deserves to be in. Yes he gambled, but he did NOT fix a game. I,ve heard good arguements why he shouldn't be allowed in but I lean towards induction.
Just my opinion

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#2013144 - 12/02/12 07:16 AM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: gaugman]
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Grinch, looks like youve been reading bill James abstract he loves Grich makes great points about him to. Of your whole list I'd argue only about Puckett. The only real argument I thought Blyleven ever had was his shutout total which is very impressive. I agree completely, the hall could be emptied by at least 20% easily.
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#2013145 - 12/02/12 07:27 AM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: 33rdStreet]
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Actually I heard Grichís name mentioned on the MLB network, a show called Prime 9. I donít remember what number he came in at or if he even made the top nine 2nd basemen all of time. Come to think of it I think he was one of those guys who just missed the cut. Anyway, because I have no life, I looked up his stats/ career and was surprised at what I found out.
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#2013146 - 12/02/12 07:31 AM Re: Hall of Fame [Re: gaugman]
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Guess it was me reading the abstract then lol, I think Grich is in the discussion.
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