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#2013849 - 12/22/12 11:22 AM What's keeping this card from grading a 9?
vintagetoppsguy
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This was a recent eBay purchase and I couldn't believe the grade once it arrived. This card looks like a 96 to me all day long and a great shot at a 98 I believe. I have louped this card over and over and over again. The corners are absolutely razor sharp. No edge wear at all. Clean white back. No tiny spider creases (otherwise it would not have even graded a 7). So does anybody see what I'm missing? I bet I've spent literally 30 minutes looking at this card under a loupe over and over. Resub?

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#2013850 - 12/22/12 11:52 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Wow, from the naked eye, definitely can't see anything that keeps it under a 96. What an outstanding card!
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#2013854 - 12/22/12 01:33 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: VANSLYKEFAN18]
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Grader forgot to eat lunch?

Maybe he saw your K-State icon and is KU fan?

Awesome card though!

If the grade don't fit, then resubmit.

BTW, still going thru that run of 80's sets I bought from you a few months ago - the 83's were almost GEM all the way through!
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#2013856 - 12/22/12 01:43 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: DrD]
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Looks like you found yourself a perfect resubmit and win candidate.
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#2013857 - 12/22/12 01:55 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: FYS]
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I'd give PSA a chance to grade this card. If they concur you know the grade is correct. If it comes back a good bit higher which appears quite possible if not likely, you will have a more valuable card.
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#2013862 - 12/22/12 02:26 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Maybe the grader doesn't like rough edges. That is one beautiful card.
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#2013887 - 12/22/12 10:21 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: cammb]
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That is sweet! Only thing I see wrong (perhaps) is TR corner slightly bumped?
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#2013891 - 12/23/12 05:05 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: Mintacular]
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Sure does look mint. Nice card
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#2013892 - 12/23/12 09:35 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: jackstraw]
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Awesome card and I would for sure crack and resubmit.
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#2013893 - 12/23/12 09:37 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: SMtJoy]
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I agree with Scott! That card deserves a higher grade.
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#2013901 - 12/24/12 08:00 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: Blackie]
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From the back view it appears to have a bit of border wear along the top right side.
They may have also docked it for the green and yellow color "bleed" on his shoulder area.

don't know about the debris in the scan. Very likely could be some kind of surface issue that can not be detected through the slab.

Regardless of the grade, I wouldn't kick that card out of my collection. very nice Eye appeal.

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#2015160 - 01/23/13 08:42 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: Blackie]
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I cracked this out and submitted it raw back to SGC. The grade this time?

1 1959 Topps 387 DON DRYSDALE 0 - T8

I'm absolutely disgusted right now!

Other poppage on the same submission -
2 1959 Topps 505 TONY KUBEK 88 - was a Becket 8 raw card review
3 1966 Topps 50 MICKEY MANTLE 80 - was a PSA 6.5 crackout \:\(
4 1971 Topps 14 DAVE CONCEPCION ROOKIE 84 -was a BVG 7.5 crackout \:\(
5 1972 Topps 595 NOLAN RYAN 84 - was a BVG 7.5 crackout \:\(
6 1973 Topps 615 MIKE SCHMIDT ROOKIE High# 88
7 1955 Topps 50 JACKIE ROBINSON 0 - G - a PSA 5 that I tried to cross \:\(
8 1956 Topps 30 JACKIE ROBINSON 0 - G - another PSA 5 that I tried to cross \:\(
9 1955 Topps 198 YOGI BERRA High# 70 - a PSA 5 that did cross

I had another submission ready to go for the Goudey/Play Ball Special. Considering the TriStar show is in town this weekend, I now have other plans for that submission.
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#2015162 - 01/23/13 08:53 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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David sorry to hear about the Drysdale......what does the T8 mean?
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#2015163 - 01/23/13 08:54 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Sorry to hear the results! Maybe a re-sub?

In this hobby you win some and lose some. In the end I think it is a wash...

Hang in there, Dave!
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#2015164 - 01/23/13 08:56 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: Blackie]
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 Originally Posted By: Blackie
David sorry to hear about the Drysdale......what does the T8 mean?


Trimming along the left border. I emailed Earl to see if he could have the graders take a look at it again if it hasn't shipped.
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#2015165 - 01/23/13 08:58 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Oh crap. Maybe Earl can have em review it quick!
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#2015166 - 01/23/13 09:00 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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That sub was rough. Drysdale card looked awesome what is T8? I tried to cross a few Staubachs awhile back 3 cossed 2 did not and none graded higher. I think vintage BVG cards are usually over graded, I won't buy any of those slabs anymore.
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#2015167 - 01/23/13 09:11 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: hitman]
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I would call them and talk to a grader asap about the card.
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#2015168 - 01/23/13 09:14 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: hitman]
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The only bright spot was the '73 Schmidt. I bought it raw at a show for $30-$35. I purchased it as if it were trimmed because it measured short. Other than that, it was gorgeous! When I got it home I louped it over and over looking at all 4 borders. The cut pattern looked factory, so I thought it might just be cut short from the factory and took a chance on sending it in. That one worked out well. I'm happy with the 8, but I thought if it did grade numerically, it might get a 9. Here is a raw scan before it was sent in.

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#2015170 - 01/23/13 09:19 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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She's beauty, Dave!

Are you going to sell it?
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#2015171 - 01/23/13 09:35 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: oneofthree67]
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 Originally Posted By: oneofthree67
She's beauty, Dave!

Are you going to sell it?


Probably so, but how soon depends on when I get it back. If it comes in before Saturday, I will take it to the TriShow show this weekend and have Beckett look at it on site just for another opinion. Again, I am happy with the 8 considering what I paid, but feel it could have graded higher.

As far as the Drysdale goes, I probably should listened to Brick's advice. He's a wise old man
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#2015172 - 01/23/13 09:40 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I would say the centering tilt on the 73T Schmidt keeps it out of a 9 holder...
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#2015173 - 01/23/13 09:44 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: oneofthree67]
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 Originally Posted By: oneofthree67
I would say the centering tilt on the 73T Schmidt keeps it out of a 9 holder...


You're probably right. 8.5 maybe? The tilt is very slight, but it is there.
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#2015174 - 01/23/13 09:47 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Worth the discussion with BVG. I dont know their grading standards...
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#2015178 - 01/23/13 11:08 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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To me card looks perfect. If your looking for any imperfection, I can point out the mark in the right border and on rear photo, right hand side what appears to be a nick about an inch from top.
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#2015180 - 01/23/13 12:00 PM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: cammb]
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Well, Earl emailed me back but it was too late. The package had already been shipped. He did speak to the grader and told me to send it back in, they'll take another look at it.

I guess I'll go ahead and send in my Goudey/Play Ball submission and include it in there. We'll see what happens.
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#2015190 - 01/24/13 03:07 AM Re: What's keeping this card from grading a 9? [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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 Originally Posted By: vintagetoppsguy
The only bright spot was the '73 Schmidt. I bought it raw at a show for $30-$35. I purchased it as if it were trimmed because it measured short. Other than that, it was gorgeous! When I got it home I louped it over and over looking at all 4 borders. The cut pattern looked factory, so I thought it might just be cut short from the factory and took a chance on sending it in. That one worked out well. I'm happy with the 8, but I thought if it did grade numerically, it might get a 9. Here is a raw scan before it was sent in.




Dave

Tough break on the Drysdale.

In regards to the 73 Schimdt Rookie.

I don't think that slight uneveness along the top constitutes a "tilt" The other three borders don't suggest it. Which brings me to your first thought that the card might be trimmed.

Maybe its my eyes or maybe the scan, but both the side borders look a little "wavey" to me.

The upper left side border starting right by the black border on Ron Cey looks to have a "dip" or "concaved" spot leading up to the corner.

The upper right side border also seems to be a little wavey in the same spot right off the black border on Schimdt.

Is it possible that this is why the "tilt" does not show around the whole card?

Just my observation.

John
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