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#2014690 - 01/11/13 08:58 AM Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending...
oneofthree67
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How many have sets built from vending? If so, did you build the set yourself or buy is completed. If build by you, how was the experience?
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#2014691 - 01/11/13 09:29 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: oneofthree67]
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I have since sold everything post '73, but I built most of my sets myself, with the exception of '74. It was built from vending probably back in the '70s. Every card was very well centered with very sharp corners. I graded some of the star cards and they graded between 8-9.

My other sets I built myself. I find it much more enjoyable (although sometimes frustrating), chasing the cards myself. My '80s sets were built from vending (and some racks) as well. They were really sharp too. I sold most of those to a fellow board member.
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#2014692 - 01/11/13 09:31 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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David - what condition is your 73T set and 70T set?
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#2014693 - 01/11/13 09:41 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: oneofthree67]
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Gary,

I'm sorry, I meant I sold everything post '72. I kept '71 and '72 and sold everything else. The '73 set was NM and better, with a lot of the high numbers being NM-MT. I sold it to a Net54 member.

I don't have '70. It never appealed to me. I may go back and do it one day, but not anytime soon.

I do have a '73 Schmidt rookie currently at SGC if you would have any interest?
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#2014695 - 01/11/13 11:53 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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I purchased those 80's sets - agreed they were sweet!

Vending 70's would be too expensive today - best to pickup sets and lots and cherry pick, IMO
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#2014698 - 01/11/13 01:27 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: DrD]
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I have built in Football AND Baseball both,
from 1973 to 1982.

This is the funnest way to collect IMO.

I am currently doing 1970 Topps Football as we speak.

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#2014715 - 01/11/13 04:16 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: K-Nole]
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 Originally Posted By: K-Nole
I have built in Football AND Baseball both,
from 1973 to 1982.

This is the funnest way to collect IMO.

I am currently doing 1970 Topps Football as we speak.


If you want to dumb your 73TBB set, let me know.
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#2014725 - 01/11/13 06:19 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: FYS]
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Out of all the sets I did, the 73 BB is the best conditioned one. There is not a card in it under EX. I got lucky with the lot on Ebay.

Surprisingly, my hardest to complete was the 1976 Football, due to I couldn't find a Cowboys or Chargers UNMARKED checklist on E-Bay or Sportlots for a price I liked.

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#2014766 - 01/12/13 08:57 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: K-Nole]
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Nice Topic guys,

Set building has always been what the hobby is all about to me. For over 30 years now I have been insainely obssessed with building the perfect 1970 to 1990 Topps football sets.

The seventies being my childhood collecting years makes those set very special to me.

Thankfully, 10 years prior to the crazy TPGing hype, I had been searching out the finest examples for my sets at card shows and ripping product that was much more affordable at the time.

Then came the internet and TPGing, The cards that remained on my wantlist became increasing harder to find in the higher grades, due to most always were overgraded from ebay sellers who call anything "Mint"

Thus the 3rd Party grading. All fine and dandy until it started to take "stupid money" to even get the higher graded commons.

Now, The hobby has never been about money to me and its always been the CARDS and the history they represent that I was after.

So with the legions of idiots who haven't a clue as to how to grade cards flocking to ebay, I was forced to start cracking cards out of slabs.

Ive cracked a lot of product over the years, Wax, factory sets and vending boxes.

While I have pulled lots of killer cards from vending boxes, they also yeild a lot of junk cards as well. Wax and rack packs will usually net you the best cards, but the prices on many of those are getting stupid as well.

The vending is still about half the cost, mainly for the reasons noted above. Even so I have rolled the dice on some vending boxes and have done ok pulling some high end cards for my sets.

For me set building never ends, even though I have complete most of my seventies set multiple times, I always seem to have a want list.

For example, Ive completed the 1970 Topps football set 3 times over the years always moving the higher grade cards up to my top set.

And here I sit with my current set still having a want list and still missing that one 1970 Topps Football card in mint condition that has always aluded me.....

Card #147 Dave Osborn, he is my "white whale" in that set.

Its the same way for the rest of my seventies sets:

71 Still looking for the right Joe Greene Rookie and I've had a few nice ones over the years.

72 With my boyhood hero Roger Staubach, its one of my all-time favorites! I can't even imagine how many thousands of dollars Ive dumped into my set. Another set that I have built multiple times.

73 Ive always had a hard time with the 73's.
For some reason the centering on the back really bothers me if it is o/c more so than other seventies sets. My white whales in this set have always been the John Riggins, Dwight White and Jack Ham Rookies.

74 Man! with that goal post design centering can be brutal on these and for a centering freak like me its almost enough to make one throw in the towel! LOL
While I maintained a pretty nice set I hadn't give the 74 set much attention for a few years. That is until I managed to cut a deal with long time collector, Mike Tavenner, who had assembled one of the finest 74 sets I had the privillage to see.
Of coarse I merged it with the set I currently had and it was just an amazing set. But you know what? I still managed to come up with a wantlist here as well. Mainly the Ray Guy Rookie

75's and their centering woes.

76's and still looking for a centered #331 NFC semi game card(Roger Staubach)

77's How many times am I going to make this one before being content, probably never.

78's, Hell I just busted 5 vending boxes from BBCE and still have a wantlist of 85 cards!

79's? busted a couple of wax boxes last year. Boy did I get some beauties there. Still looking for the perfect Roger Stabuach. Still sitting on some of the 3-pack wax trays. I'll bust them sooner or later.

Eighties sets? lets just say the smoke has yet to settle on them. Ive been busting this stuff left and right. I just love finding that perfect card! LOL. Maybe I'll get some more from BBCE.

I enjoy set building more than any other asspect of the hobby. While sometimes it came be very frustrating searching for high grade cards, it is very fulfilling when you finally land a certain card you have been looking for for so long.

That moment when you remove the card that has been the reigning champ in your set for so long.....and slip the new Top dog into that spot in your set. Thats where I get my staisfaction and why I am a card collector.

John





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#2014767 - 01/12/13 09:08 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: BigRedOne]
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Great post, John!

Very enjoyable read.
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#2014777 - 01/13/13 05:49 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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+1

As always.
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#2014778 - 01/13/13 08:29 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: trex]
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Good read John, always have loved your passion for the perfect football sets!
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#2014780 - 01/13/13 08:35 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: vintagetoppsguy]
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Yes, VERY good read.


On your 1970 Football, I just bought a lot of 377, 1970 football, w/177 different. If there is a #147 in mint, I will let you know. SUPPOSEDLY, their are multiple cards that the seller states should be sent for grading.

BTW, If you have a bunch of 70's for sale, I will be interested in them late next week after I see what ones I need to complete.

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#2014786 - 01/13/13 10:10 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: BigRedOne]
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John,

How do you store your sets?
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#2014852 - 01/14/13 06:56 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: FYS]
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I just could never see collecting anything but a complete set. I have this crazy OCD desire as a completist, but the really weird thing is that no matter how many times I have all 528 cards, their still never complete! LOL. While the cycle of upgrading is getting more and more difficult it never seems to end.

K-Nole
Nice to see another Football collector. Im to the point where Im on a card by card basis. While there are special exceptions, Most all larger card lots on ebay are overstated. While a few decent cards may be had its really just a way to move lesser grade cards that otherwise could not grade or sell on their individual merit. "power in numbers"

In recent years I have had to resort to breaking cards from slabs. These were the latest ones.




The John Brodie was a throw in card that i thought looked under graded. While a solid NM card it still did not make it into my set.

The Chuck Howley had been on my wantlist for many years and I may have made a hasty decession on the PSA 8. Deep in my heart I knew it was not going to be an acceptable card for me, but I broke it out anyway. While I put it in my set the card registry is just not sharp enough. I may put my original card back in the set.


Here are a few nice extras I have as well as some of the insert posters:





AS to how I store my sets: To me every set has what I call "A flow" and that flow can only be seen using the 9-pocket pages. While the concern with binders is that the pages can sag, I have remedied that problem by using "spacer boards" placed through out the set in the binder as well as making my own custom fitted slip covers.





No they may not be that pretty but they are very effective. I see them as hisorical volumes. When I pull out a volume to view, Thats when you can see how the set flows from page to page. It also gives you a better feel for the centering throughout the set as well. To me there is no other way to view a set.

Thats one of the BIG draw backs to these graded cards. It is just not possible to see that "Flow" and is just so difficult to view and enjoy yours sets.

I can pull out a volume and lay it on my lap and casually and easily enjoy flip through that volume.

Just trying to lift 300-400 plastic slabs is a back breaking experience. Let alone trying to look through them a handful at a time.

Working the 3rd shift, I better run!

Been nice talking card sets with ya all!
John


Edited by BigRedOne (01/14/13 07:57 PM)
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#2014859 - 01/15/13 05:02 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: BigRedOne]
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VERY VERY NICE BRODIE!!!

I am a Die Hard Niners fan and as a kid, that Brodie was my pride n joy. So, as you can guess, it got pretty beat up. BUT I STILL TREASURE IT :-)

I am expecting my shipment of 1970 in today or tomorrow.
are you selling some (non graded) of your dups?

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#2014883 - 01/15/13 06:54 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: K-Nole]
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Got my shipment today of the 1970 football.

WOW, my gosh!!! The guy said of the 377 cards, 30 were "gradeable". HE WASNT BLOWING SMOKE!!!

THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL NM!!! But I am too cheap to pay to have them graded:-(

But, I did score 177 new cards towards the set. And then another 150+ towards my "normal" collection.

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#2014884 - 01/15/13 07:25 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: K-Nole]
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FANTASTIC!

Please post Scans! I love seeing the cards.

I wouldn't be to hard on yourself as being to cheap to pay for grading. RAW is the way they were meant to be.

No MINT 9 dave Osborn? LOL

the dups I have are up for grabs if you might be interested in any. While I have some EX-EXMT cards, I only scan the NM or better cards.

The "extras" I posted above are for sale. I will post you some better scans of 1970 Topps cards I have to sell.

Nice Takin to ya!
John
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#2014885 - 01/15/13 08:04 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: BigRedOne]
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Red, after looking at what I need and then comparing it to Sportlots & Ebay, I will DEFINITELY need to get with you on some.

As of right now, but this might change, I will need...

#9 UNMARKED, #147 (I know, I know), #182, #229, #237, #249, #251, #260, #261

On these, I do NOT need them NM, just anything from VG to NM. As long as it does not have pin holes, writing, tearing, paper loss, chunks, or BAD centering.

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#2015024 - 01/18/13 07:20 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: K-Nole]
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Just bought the #9 Unmarked Checklist in NM for $6 & what I thought was a STEAL, a small 3 card lot with #251 (Ben Davidson)in NM & #144 (Willie Brown)in NM & #31 (Dave Grayson)in EX, ALL 3 FOR a COMBINED price of $4.25
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#2015026 - 01/18/13 07:23 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: BigRedOne]
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 Originally Posted By: BigRedOne
Nice Topic guys,

Set building has always been what the hobby is all about to me. For over 30 years now I have been insainely obssessed with building the perfect 1970 to 1990 Topps football sets.

The seventies being my childhood collecting years makes those set very special to me.

Thankfully, 10 years prior to the crazy TPGing hype, I had been searching out the finest examples for my sets at card shows and ripping product that was much more affordable at the time.

Then came the internet and TPGing, The cards that remained on my wantlist became increasing harder to find in the higher grades, due to most always were overgraded from ebay sellers who call anything "Mint"

Thus the 3rd Party grading. All fine and dandy until it started to take "stupid money" to even get the higher graded commons.

Now, The hobby has never been about money to me and its always been the CARDS and the history they represent that I was after.

So with the legions of idiots who haven't a clue as to how to grade cards flocking to ebay, I was forced to start cracking cards out of slabs.

Ive cracked a lot of product over the years, Wax, factory sets and vending boxes.

While I have pulled lots of killer cards from vending boxes, they also yeild a lot of junk cards as well. Wax and rack packs will usually net you the best cards, but the prices on many of those are getting stupid as well.

The vending is still about half the cost, mainly for the reasons noted above. Even so I have rolled the dice on some vending boxes and have done ok pulling some high end cards for my sets.

For me set building never ends, even though I have complete most of my seventies set multiple times, I always seem to have a want list.

For example, Ive completed the 1970 Topps football set 3 times over the years always moving the higher grade cards up to my top set.

And here I sit with my current set still having a want list and still missing that one 1970 Topps Football card in mint condition that has always aluded me.....

Card #147 Dave Osborn, he is my "white whale" in that set.

Its the same way for the rest of my seventies sets:

71 Still looking for the right Joe Greene Rookie and I've had a few nice ones over the years.

72 With my boyhood hero Roger Staubach, its one of my all-time favorites! I can't even imagine how many thousands of dollars Ive dumped into my set. Another set that I have built multiple times.

73 Ive always had a hard time with the 73's.
For some reason the centering on the back really bothers me if it is o/c more so than other seventies sets. My white whales in this set have always been the John Riggins, Dwight White and Jack Ham Rookies.

74 Man! with that goal post design centering can be brutal on these and for a centering freak like me its almost enough to make one throw in the towel! LOL
While I maintained a pretty nice set I hadn't give the 74 set much attention for a few years. That is until I managed to cut a deal with long time collector, Mike Tavenner, who had assembled one of the finest 74 sets I had the privillage to see.
Of coarse I merged it with the set I currently had and it was just an amazing set. But you know what? I still managed to come up with a wantlist here as well. Mainly the Ray Guy Rookie

75's and their centering woes.

76's and still looking for a centered #331 NFC semi game card(Roger Staubach)

77's How many times am I going to make this one before being content, probably never.

78's, Hell I just busted 5 vending boxes from BBCE and still have a wantlist of 85 cards!

79's? busted a couple of wax boxes last year. Boy did I get some beauties there. Still looking for the perfect Roger Stabuach. Still sitting on some of the 3-pack wax trays. I'll bust them sooner or later.

Eighties sets? lets just say the smoke has yet to settle on them. Ive been busting this stuff left and right. I just love finding that perfect card! LOL. Maybe I'll get some more from BBCE.

I enjoy set building more than any other asspect of the hobby. While sometimes it came be very frustrating searching for high grade cards, it is very fulfilling when you finally land a certain card you have been looking for for so long.

That moment when you remove the card that has been the reigning champ in your set for so long.....and slip the new Top dog into that spot in your set. Thats where I get my staisfaction and why I am a card collector.

John






ON Ebay right now...there is a Dave Osborn for $2.00 that looks GREAT. Nice Corners, centered about as perfect as you can get. Just letting you know.

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#2015031 - 01/18/13 11:11 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: K-Nole]
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Congrats on your latest finds for your set.

I couldn't come up with any of the cards on your wantlist. Looks to be all 2nd series cards.


AAHHH, Thanks so much for looking out for the Dave Osborn card.



I assume this is the card your were refferring to.
YES it does have pretty nice centering. Unfortunately the corner wear along with what looks to be some card surface issues(deris/spots)
make the card more likely EXMT or less. Most ebay card are usually overgraded by at least one full grade. I suspect the same is true with this Osborn card. with the nice centering it would be a nice filler card until I could find the high grade card Ive been searching for.

Thanks for the heads up!

John
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#2015033 - 01/19/13 06:49 AM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: BigRedOne]
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Yea, I saw that, but since I am needing it too, i came across it and thought of you, since I cant buy it right now as I have WAY over spent my budget this month on 72 High Series football. I do have a place I am buying the Osborn at, but it wont be NM.

BTW, my list I put earlier was just the list of cards I cant find anywhere, but if you can do me cheaper than my usual provider, here is my full need list..
2,3,7,10,11,13,17,30,35,39,41,45,54,59,60,63,70,79
82,84,85,91,102,104,111,113,114,116,127,131,135,
136,138,140,145,146,147,150,153,154,155,157,158,
161,162,170,174,175,177,182,188,189,197,200,208,
213,214,226,227,229,232,237,247,249,255,261
Again, I am not a stickler on grade except can not have pin holes, writing, paper loss, trimming, double imaging, or terrible centering (I can deal with a little bit)

If you have some of these, let me know your price.

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#2015237 - 01/25/13 11:09 PM Re: Building Topps Baseball Sets (70's) from Vending... [Re: K-Nole]
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I picked up that Dave Osborn Card. It was actually a little nicer than the scan the seller had. Probably had some "scanner dust" on the photo. The card presents decent and is an EXMT card. It will at least work to fill the hole in my set until i can find the higher grade version I am looking for.




I went through your "wantlist" and have the following cards from it.


#85, #91, #116, #154
All pretty nice mid grade cards with nice surface and color. no creases, writing, etc...
$6.00 delivered Pay-Pal gift

Also have these in a bit higher grades.


$2.00


$1.00


$4.00

I would do the whole lot for $10 delivered Pay-Pal Gift.

Regards
John





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Sending you a PM!!!!!!!!!!
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