#2015265 - 01/26/13 07:38 PM
Question about How Cards are Graded
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
New to this whole "Graded" thing, so please excuse me...
Tonight I went to "Vintage Stock". I dont know if they have these in your neighborhood, but this place is mostly used video games, Movies, CD's and that sort of thing. However this on also has sports cards and as sad as it sounds, they have better stuff then ANY card shops in my town.
Anyways, I picked up a 1961 Topps George Blanda. Now my question is this, this card is absolutely GREAT!! the only two issues are the bottom left corner is a VERY tiny bit dinged, almost un noticeable unless you look hard and are "looking" for a problem. Even on the back, in the more noticeable blue background, it is not noticeable. OK, but the other problem is this, the black outline on the front, on the left side, it has a printing "error" where the ink fades, instead of a sharp Straight line. My question is, does this count off on the grading? I know stupid question, but the reason I ask is that I looked on Ebay and I see this card in way worse shape, and they rate them "NM", but this is the print, not corners/edges.
BTW, I bought a 77 Largent Rookie in ABSOLUTE MINT!! Not graded, but this card is AWESOME!!! Corners are perfect, edges are great, and has PERFECT Centering.
Here is the thing thou, I think somebody was switching card holders because I got BOTH cards for $1 each. For a 1961 George Blanda & 1977 Steve Largent, both gradable, my total was $2.18!!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015266 - 01/26/13 07:50 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
Holy gym socks batman!!! Brother you got a great deal on those cards!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015267 - 01/26/13 07:50 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
Lets see some pics
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015268 - 01/26/13 07:51 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
FYS
Bid more or post more... tough one...
Registered: 05/21/04
Posts: 1625
Loc: Michigan - The Spartan State
|
Offline
|
|
New to this whole "Graded" thing, so please excuse me...
Tonight I went to "Vintage Stock". I dont know if they have these in your neighborhood, but this place is mostly used video games, Movies, CD's and that sort of thing. However this on also has sports cards and as sad as it sounds, they have better stuff then ANY card shops in my town.
Anyways, I picked up a 1961 Topps George Blanda. Now my question is this, this card is absolutely GREAT!! the only two issues are the bottom left corner is a VERY tiny bit dinged, almost un noticeable unless you look hard and are "looking" for a problem. Even on the back, in the more noticeable blue background, it is not noticeable. OK, but the other problem is this, the black outline on the front, on the left side, it has a printing "error" where the ink fades, instead of a sharp Straight line. My question is, does this count off on the grading? I know stupid question, but the reason I ask is that I looked on Ebay and I see this card in way worse shape, and they rate them "NM", but this is the print, not corners/edges.
BTW, I bought a 77 Largent Rookie in ABSOLUTE MINT!! Not graded, but this card is AWESOME!!! Corners are perfect, edges are great, and has PERFECT Centering.
Here is the thing thou, I think somebody was switching card holders because I got BOTH cards for $1 each. For a 1961 George Blanda & 1977 Steve Largent, both gradable, my total was $2.18!!
Scan and post them to get feedback. BBO has a sharp grading eye with scans. Personally, I have not been hammered that hard for minor line fading.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015269 - 01/26/13 07:59 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: FYS]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
How do I scan? Sorry, I am computer idiot! I have a copy machine at work, can I just put them on that and scan it to my desktop?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015279 - 01/27/13 05:47 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: BigRedOne]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
I know Right!!!!
I buy lots off EBAY to for my sets and some are rated EX-NM. Out of the 6-7 "EX-NM" lots, there has only been one (1976 Topps Football) that the entire lot was NM IMO.
Since I am too cheap to buy a printer (I would rather buy cards with my money right now :-) ), I will scan them at work, then see if I can put them on here.
AFA the Largent, you hit the nail on the head, the one I already had, and in my set, is off center.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015286 - 01/27/13 07:02 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
KRB
enthusiast
Registered: 10/31/12
Posts: 255
|
Offline
|
|
For that price...buy buy buy EVERYTHING in the store!!!!!
Find me some Mantles for 1 buck....you can be my friend.
_________________________
collect Mickey Mantle and etc. baseball & football.
WANT LIST: 61 #406, 62 #53, 65 #5, 68 #490, 75 #194 and 52 #311 RC & Bowman(not 51/52/53), DanDee, and more
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015292 - 01/27/13 10:27 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: KRB]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
Somebody HAD to of switched holders w/price tags, and if I had my son with me at the time, I would have told the Mgr.
But, I was by myself and had that "WHAT!!! Well, thats what it marked" view.
I actually feel kinda bad.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015293 - 01/27/13 10:39 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
KRB
enthusiast
Registered: 10/31/12
Posts: 255
|
Offline
|
|
if i didnt collect cards, or even know football..I wouldnt known who Largent or Blanda was.... This saying that there are some people that just dont know football.
People are more like remembering Namath, Montana, Elway and stuff
_________________________
collect Mickey Mantle and etc. baseball & football.
WANT LIST: 61 #406, 62 #53, 65 #5, 68 #490, 75 #194 and 52 #311 RC & Bowman(not 51/52/53), DanDee, and more
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015318 - 01/28/13 03:58 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: KRB]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
Got a scanner, scanned the photo to my desktop, now how do I post it here on this board?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015319 - 01/28/13 04:02 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
I upload to photobucket.com Its fast, free and simple. Just login to http://www.photobucket.com and upload your scans. Then click and past the img code.......paste it to your post and your good to hook brother.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015320 - 01/28/13 04:03 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
you may have to register if you aint been on it before but its quick and simple. This will allow you to save your scans.....etc. You can build different folders for your stuff too. Im still at work so have to be fast but hope this helps....
rob
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015321 - 01/28/13 04:23 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
trex
addict
Registered: 01/31/12
Posts: 588
|
Offline
|
|
Got a scanner, scanned the photo to my desktop, now how do I post it here on this board?
K-nole, I wouldn't scan them to my desktop, you'll in short order have it totally cluttered up. Save them into your pictures folder. Make sure your scanner software setting's are correct. PM me if you want to know what correct is, depending on your scanner. Then photo edit them so they show well on your post. Then follow Blackie's instructions on posting.
_________________________
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015322 - 01/28/13 05:29 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015324 - 01/28/13 05:30 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
Sweet Blanda!!!!!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015325 - 01/28/13 05:30 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
Kinda small, how can I zoom? Is that something I need to do on the scanner?
Anyways, here is the Blanda. See the black ink along the left side, how it fades?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015326 - 01/28/13 05:32 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
Here is what ya do.........crop the pic after ya scan it. It will enlarge the photo. You can also do this edit on photobucket but i do mine from the computer.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015327 - 01/28/13 05:33 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
I will show ya with your card.....give me a second.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015328 - 01/28/13 05:35 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|

well it didn't work.....i think it has to come from your computer........
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015329 - 01/28/13 05:46 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|

How's this. my E-102 Otto Knabe. I know, not great, but I bought it back in the 80's when I was a teen and still one of my favorites.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015330 - 01/28/13 05:49 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
THANKS SO MUCH BLACKIE & TREX!!!!!!!!!! I think i got it now!!! Thanks for your patience!!
Hey, i am going to post a scan of the Michael Jordan I asked in an earlier thread if I should send it in. I will post it in that thread. However, I got too thinking. THe entire set is the exact shape as the Jordan, so maybe i should grade the entire set? I think it would probably rate pretty high. See the Jordan scan and let me know.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015332 - 01/28/13 06:04 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: trex]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
Jims the subject matter expert on scanning. He has helped me alot though im not too smart and aint figured most of it out.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015335 - 01/28/13 06:11 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
well i have learned a LOT tonight. Also, lloks like when I scan, i need to take the card out of the plastic cause the Jordan scan I did looks "faded" and the "scratch" in the middle, is actually on the penny sleeve, not the card.
Oh well, I think I'll get it.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015341 - 01/28/13 06:40 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
trex
addict
Registered: 01/31/12
Posts: 588
|
Offline
|
|
Jims the subject matter expert on scanning. He has helped me alot though im not too smart and aint figured most of it out.
Hahaha. Actually, no. John, "bigredone" is the scanning expert, as well as on other items. No way I can touch his scans. He has something figured out that I haven't yet. But, he's free with advice and that's who I learned from, he's a darn good instructor. And an even better person.
_________________________
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015342 - 01/28/13 06:51 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: trex]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
+1 for John!!!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015349 - 01/28/13 09:20 PM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: Blackie]
|
SMtJoy
veteran
Registered: 01/23/08
Posts: 1419
|
Offline
|
|
Thats an awesome Knabe, E102's are a super tough set, that card would look great graded! That's the type of card in my wheelhouse, love low grade presentable vintage!
Nice work on the scans guys, always love to see more cards posted as that's why we are here!
Heres my only E102, very happy to have it-
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015357 - 01/29/13 05:23 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: BigRedOne]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
GREAT! Thanks John!
BTW, I expect those 72's to come in today-Thursday. after that, I will get you my want list of the 72's, to go along with the 70's and the 71 Pearson you have pulled for me.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015358 - 01/29/13 05:24 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: SMtJoy]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
Thats an awesome Knabe, E102's are a super tough set, that card would look great graded! That's the type of card in my wheelhouse, love low grade presentable vintage! Nice work on the scans guys, always love to see more cards posted as that's why we are here! Heres my only E102, very happy to have it-
Joy, that Matthewson is FREAKING AWSOME!!!!
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015359 - 01/29/13 05:25 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
Blackie
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 4329
Loc: Southern US
|
Offline
|
|
I second that............I love those T-cards..
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015361 - 01/29/13 05:53 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: BigRedOne]
|
trex
addict
Registered: 01/31/12
Posts: 588
|
Offline
|
|
SMTjoy Nice Matthewson! And a nice scan as well! Job well done! K-Nole Wow! you didn't waste no time getting a scanner! May I ask what kind of scanner you got? You seem to even pick up the scanning process pretty quickly. Like Jim and Rob said keep playing around to find the settings that work best for you. I think you will find that being able to scan and post your cards will open up a whole new world of card collecting. It can also become very addicting, but its a lot of fun as well. Jim, your to kind with your words. If it helps ya any K-Nole here is what I do. Its really not that hard. #1 KEEP YOUR SCANNER BED CLEAN. Very Important. #2 Scan at 300 to 350 DPI (I do 300 its faster) #3 Open your scan in your scanning software or other Photo editor (Paintshop Pro, Photoshop, etc) Im using old software from a Cannon Scanner to edit with. #4 Crop your scanned card. #5 Click "view actual size" (it should be a pretty big pic. (Very important to be viewing at "actual size") #6 click "Imagine Size" or "Edit Image Size" and reduce to 400-500 dpi. I usually do 400 If you start getty to much bigger the card becomes to big to see in it's entirity on the message boards. #7 You can "sharpen" just a bit or play with other settings. Don't over do it trying to adjust color and all that stuff. Usually a light sharpen is all that is needed. #8 Save your image to a folder in "My Pictures" #9 Don't forget to "delete" the original scan in order to save hard drive space. #10 Upload your scan to your Photobucket account. #11 Post many photos of your cards here on the boards for all to enjoy! Here is a card I did using the setting described above.  John
K-Nole, there's step by step from the real expert. Probably the most important step to me is number 1, KEEP THE SCANNER BED CLEAN. I clean mine before every scanning session. If I'm doing multiple scans, I clean it between every scan, OCD kicking in. If I'm scanning graded cards I'll dust them off prior to scanning. It's a real distraction to me to have a piece of lint on a scan. I've been known to redo a full scanner bed because of one or two pieces of lint I missed in pre-scan.
I do play around some with the photo editor, but usually come back to just a small amount of sharpening, as John said. Have fun, and yes it can become very addicting.
_________________________
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015363 - 01/29/13 08:32 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: BigRedOne]
|
K-Nole
member
Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 182
Loc: Topeka, Ks
|
Offline
|
|
What I am finding is that, I hate scanners!
BECAUSE THEY SHOW ALL THE FLAWS IN THE CARD I CAN'T SEE WITH THE NAKED EYE :-)
Yes, very addictive. Also, I will have a bottle of Windex setting right beside the scanner.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#2015365 - 01/29/13 09:38 AM
Re: Question about How Cards are Graded
[Re: K-Nole]
|
trex
addict
Registered: 01/31/12
Posts: 588
|
Offline
|
|
What I am finding is that, I hate scanners!
BECAUSE THEY SHOW ALL THE FLAWS IN THE CARD I CAN'T SEE WITH THE NAKED EYE :-)
Yes, very addictive. Also, I will have a bottle of Windex setting right beside the scanner.
Whoa cowboy. Don't spray your scanner bed. and don't use a paper towel to wipe it down. If you have to clean your scanner bed, very lightly spray a very soft, clean cloth rag. You shouldn't have to do this real often. You will get finger prints/smudges from time to time that will require wiping down. Otherwise, just use these Swiffer dusters for the scanner bed and cards in holders. All you're wanting to do is get the lint/dust off, until like I said you get a lot of finger/thumb smudges. Eventually you figure out how to do a scan without your fingers ever touching the scanner bed.
Here's a couple of more tips. In your scanner software, make sure you're scanning at 48-bit color in addition to 300-350 dpi. Also try the following settings:
Unsharp Mask...set to high. This will actually sharpen your scan.
Descreening...set to general
Dust Removal...set to medium. If you set it much higher than this the letters on your holder and all will start washing out.
These settings should improve your scan prior to any photo-editing, and in most cases will eliminate the need for much editing other than a small amount of sharpening. Then prepare to have a lot of fun. What John has done to that Lenny Dawson card is the kind of stuff I enjoy doing. And the fun you can have with your scans on different websites, or your own if you have one. The cards tell a story, there's a lot of history there, now you're able to add to that story with your own. It's addictive, but it opens up a whole new realm to your collecting. A heck of a lot of fun too. Yep, they do highlight the flaws though.
_________________________
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
Moderator: EARLSWORLD
|
0 registered
and 3 anonymous users online.
|
|
|