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#2016682 - 04/17/13 03:40 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: DrD]
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Here it is. I was floored. I have to break it out and go over with a fine tooth comb. It looked perfect to me. I thought an 88 or 92.


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#2016683 - 04/17/13 03:41 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: DrD]
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Here it is. I was floored. I have to break it out and go over with a fine tooth comb. It looked perfect to me. I thought an 88 or 92.


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#2016684 - 04/17/13 05:07 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: cammb]
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Cammb,

It has a surface issue somewhere. Probably a wrinkle or spider crease. Put it under a halogen lamp and rotate it. You'll find it. If you don't find it in the holder, at this point crack it out and look at it under the lamp and with about 10X magnification, front and back. If you don't find anything...they blew it.

What did John say earlier, "how in the world can you judge a card from a scan, you have to have the card in hand"....unless you're BBO. But then he can see air.
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#2016686 - 04/17/13 06:03 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: trex]
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NO WAY! That card looks so much better than a 60. Very similar to my #4 Hank Foiles that SGC found a very small spider crease even being in the PSA 7 holder.
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#2016688 - 04/17/13 06:23 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: DrD]
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 Originally Posted By: DrD
92

What do I win?


LOL. Do you really want me to tell you? Seriously!


Edited by trex (04/17/13 06:24 PM)
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#2016689 - 04/17/13 06:28 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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 Originally Posted By: Toledo Mudhen
Centering would make it an 86... I really believe that 86s are 88s that the grader didn't really care for the centering....


While this may be true it surely varies widely between each individual grader. I think over all SGC is tougher on corners and card registration than centering. There are plenty of examples of SGC 88 or higher cards with less than stellar centering.

Maybe its just my "individualality" as a grader.

keep in mind that SGC does not use a qualifier(which I agree with on centering) and I believe a card can be 88 or 92 with questionable centering as long as it has exceptionally strong attributes in all the other areas of the card.

That being said I prefer not to have those types of cards if possible.

None of these cards have accetable centering to me, but still obtained higher than an 86 grade.

It really comes down to the "Opinion" of the individual grader, which still makes it a very subjective isssue.





I think the Santo has better centering than any of the 71's above. Hard to make a call based on the blurry scan.

John


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#2016690 - 04/17/13 06:29 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: trex]
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 Originally Posted By: trex
...unless you're BBO. But then he can see air.


See it? I don't even breathe it unless I really need to. All about efficiency.

Rub out the crease on that puppy (my guess it's on the back) and sub it for an 86.
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#2016691 - 04/17/13 06:32 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: bbo]
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Big Red, I can almost guarantee that none of those football cards have centering worse than 35/65, if measured accurately. The human eye plays tricks on you with centering. I agree that 35/65 is less than ideal, nearly a 2:1 ratio. But the specs say....therefore, it's an 88.
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#2016692 - 04/17/13 06:47 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: bbo]
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 Originally Posted By: trex
...unless you're BBO. But then he can see air.


See it? I don't even breathe it unless I really need to. All about efficiency.

Rub out the crease on that puppy (my guess it's on the back) and sub it for an 86.


Yeah, but wait till you get my age...that efficiency will kick up a notch. Or down depending on your definition.

Nah, it's on the front...any TPG'er worth their weight wouldn't knock it down that much for anything on the back. Probably go unnoticed unless the whole back was missing or maybe if only half the back was there.

But, if they missed it that bad and there is absolutely no surface issues, front or back, with the card, my submission days are over. Like I've really broke the bank with sub's this past year anyway. LOL.
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#2016695 - 04/17/13 07:45 PM Re: GUESS THE GRADE. [Re: bbo]
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Mike

I liken this to the argument we often make against the "Stat" people in the QB debates.

Stats don't always tell the tale.

Reguardless of the stats and measurments with a micrometer or what have you, the human eye (Thus eye appeal),still trumps Specs for me and I believe most collectors as well.

Measurements are fine and dandy, but the Human Eye is still going to be the deciding factor when people look at cards.

All of those 71's may have the attributes of the grade, but they all carry a mental o/c qualifier to anyone who sees them, which is likey why they have been sitting on ebay for quite some time.

Cammb's Santo card had considerably nicer centering than ANY of those o/c 71's and yet some down graded it to an 86 in their guess due to the centering.

Build a house with a ruler, Build a collection with your Eye.

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