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#2017165 - 05/30/13 12:09 AM please help me.
sweetnblue2002
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I am need of some real honest opinions! I bought this Babe Ruth card,I was told it is the real
1916 M101-5 Blank Back Babe Ruth Rookie #151.
I spent more than I can afford on this. I have 3 kids and I took a big gamble to try to do something to make a future for my children,I am very afraid that I made a huge mistake and was ripped off. I have done so much reading on this card and it looks legit. But I am not a professional grader. I am just a mother of 3. Please someone can you tell me what you think. Or what I should do. Thank you so much for your time.

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#2017166 - 05/30/13 12:12 AM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
sweetnblue2002
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Sorry I am trying to figure out how to load the images I scanned but I am having some problems figuring out how to work this forum.
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#2017169 - 05/30/13 03:06 AM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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Scan the card with a good scanner
Upload to Photobucket.com
Once uploaded you can copy out the URL from the Photobucket page
Paste the url into your post on SGC Board
Submit
Done

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#2017171 - 05/30/13 05:04 AM Re: please help me. [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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Just send the card to me and I will tell you :-)

Seriously, yes, just like Mudhen stated. If you dont have photobucket, sign up, its free and you can use for pictures of your kids and family/friends.

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#2017173 - 05/30/13 06:34 AM Re: please help me. [Re: K-Nole]
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Put a scan up for sure, that card has many reprints so your concern is very real. Feel free to email me a scan and I can post it up also.
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#2017176 - 05/30/13 11:24 AM Re: please help me. [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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Thank you for your help. I have a photobucket and I just loaded the images. Now I am going to try what you said. Thank you again. Babe Ruth
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#2017177 - 05/30/13 11:24 AM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/Sweetn...025374113353372
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#2017182 - 05/30/13 07:26 PM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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There are a couple things I dont like with it- The corners all seem too uniform, most old card with have worn corners all a bit different. The shading seems to be too dark, meaning the detail seems off, last year I purchased an M101-5 Cobb that looked good but once I got it in hand the shading was the tip off it was a reprint, your Ruth looks similar. Also does not appear to have a glossy finish on the front. Those are my red flags.

I am not expert enough to say for sure without it in hand but I do not feel its real. Return it if you can, if not then get the police involved quick, many times if its a scam they will return your money to avoid the arrest. I also saw a thread on Net54 about a crime gang ripping off people, might be worth a read in case its the same group and they were selling expensive cards.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=169575

Good luck and I hope things work out

Here are the scans of the card in question-


Here is a real one that just sold for over 50k in Legendary-


Edited by SMtJoy (05/30/13 07:31 PM)

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#2017183 - 05/30/13 07:34 PM Re: please help me. [Re: SMtJoy]
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I was going to say the same thing about the corners.
I am not an expert, but I agree with everything SMT said.

If I had to guess by those pics, I would say fake.

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#2017190 - 05/30/13 07:53 PM Re: please help me. [Re: K-Nole]
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Wow that is so bad! I spent so much money I didn't have on this. And another item through them. Makes me sick to my stomach! I was trying to do something that could help me and my kids build a future and thought this was the golden ticket. Now I am out money that I didn't have to blow. I am so upset that people do this. I asked them if it was an legit and they said yes. I got my kids so excited telling them this is our chance to get ahead! How can people be so cruel? Thank you for your input. I now have to figure out how I handle this. They already took the money out of my bank for both items. Thank you for your time. Sorry for venting on here but this is a nightmare!
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#2017193 - 05/30/13 08:07 PM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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Im sure it is a nightmare. Scott is spot on with almost everything ive ever heard him say in relation to sportscards. Is there any way you can get a refund?
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#2017194 - 05/30/13 08:34 PM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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Sorry this has happened to you, always remember the old saying "if it seems to good to be true it is", next deal of the century......run away fast.

Good luck!

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#2017197 - 05/30/13 08:55 PM Re: please help me. [Re: SMtJoy]
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I believe they said there is no refunds. After this experience I will never trust anyone selling items of this sort. Just makes me sick to my stomach that I spent over 775 dollars on two items plus 60 dollars in shipping. I have never been a gambler or took any risk like this before because I don't have the income to do that, but I just thought for sure it was real and thought it was a chance to finally get ahead and all it did was drag me further down. Not trying to cry about my life, but geezzz can I get a break. Why do people in this world have to be so cruel and sick. I even talked to them and they said oh I had 4 people look at it. I just don't understand why people get away with this!
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#2017199 - 05/30/13 09:11 PM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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Did you get it off ebay?
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#2017200 - 05/30/13 09:12 PM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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They ripped you off, throw the no refunds out and demand one or tell them you are calling the police. They claimed they were selling you a real Ruth Rookie and they did not. So either they made a mistake and can refund your money or you go to the police and file a report and state you didn't get want you agreed to purchase. Dont let them slide, even if you dont get your money back make sure they do not screw anyone else. I know a number of people who got there money back after getting the police involved. If it was done by mail contact the USPS as its now mail fraud and they can help.
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#2017201 - 05/30/13 09:17 PM Re: please help me. [Re: SMtJoy]
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Yes listen to Scott and do it quick dont delay. This is serious fraud and if they done it to you then they have quite possibly scammed others. Be very careful with cards not graded by PSA or SGC. I pray you get your money back quickly.
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#2017202 - 05/30/13 09:34 PM Re: please help me. [Re: Blackie]
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Thank you both I will get on it first thing in the morning. I didn't buy it from ebay. I bid on it at an auction online. Thank you once again for your help. I will keep you up to date on what happens. And once I prove they are fakes I will make sure to let everyone know so it doesn't happen to others.
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#2017203 - 05/31/13 03:06 AM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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I think the problem will be proving that it is actually a fake - to the police. You're probably going to need to have the card authenticated (or not) by 3rd party Grading Company. SGC has the following options for fast turnaround :

Grand Slam 5 Business Day Service $25 Any card valued at $1,000 or less
Next Day 48 Hour Service $40 Any card valued at $2,500 or less
Walk Thru Same Day Service $75 Any card valued at $7,500 or less
Immediate 2 Hour Service $200 Any card valued above $7,500

Since you only paid less than $1000 - you can make the case that the value is less than the stated parameters.

Who knows - you might get lucky..... at which point you just made 50K or so...

Jumping into the card business with a 1st purchase of the Ruth Rookie for WAY BELOW book is "iffy" at best.

Best of luck on this thing....

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#2017205 - 05/31/13 03:24 AM Re: please help me. [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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Ebay has guy selling reprints in lots of 10 for $100...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-1915-Babe-Rut...=item33827222b3

 photo ruth_zpsbdc560cf.jpg

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#2017210 - 05/31/13 10:46 AM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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From whom did you buy this card?
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#2017211 - 05/31/13 10:48 AM Re: please help me. [Re: Toledo Mudhen]
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Thank you so much. I think I am going to take your advice. I am going to send it in to them. Asap. I think even if getting told a fake then that just proves those people sold me a fake. I am so thankful I found this site. I will keep everyone posted.
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#2017212 - 05/31/13 11:04 AM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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Pretty curious too which online auction you purchased this from. And if you paid via PayPal?
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#2017213 - 05/31/13 11:10 AM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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I am curious as to why you havent stated where you got this card.
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#2017214 - 05/31/13 11:15 AM Re: please help me. [Re: cammb]
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What was the other item?
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#2017215 - 05/31/13 12:09 PM Re: please help me. [Re: jeanpelch]
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I want to make sure it is not real before I say whom I bought it from. I would hate to slander their name if I am wrong. So to be safe I am going to hold off on the name until I get the card back from the grading company. I have never been in a situation like this before and want to make sure I do everything correctly. I will definetly let everyone know the results as soon as I find out. Whether it is a fake or real. And if it is a fake I will be letting everyone know also. As of the other item I got it is an
8 x 10 Mickey Mantle with stats and signature. I came with letter of authenticity, but since I am not sure of the Babe Ruth I am going to have that one double checked to. I am going to send it in also if I can. I will let everyone know for sure. And once again thank you all for your help.

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#2017216 - 05/31/13 12:38 PM Re: please help me. [Re: sweetnblue2002]
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Well then you should have had the card graded before you started all this drama. Whether the card is real or not you have voiced concerns that members of this board should know about, particullarly the seller in case a member is currently dealing with or about to do business with that person. You would not be defaming that person because you are not accusing them of anything devious, just suspicions.
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#2017217 - 05/31/13 12:40 PM Re: please help me. [Re: cammb]
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I agree with you Tony something aint quite adding up
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#2017218 - 05/31/13 01:34 PM Re: please help me. [Re: Blackie]
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You said they already took money from your account and it was an online auction. So you didn't pay by credit card. So being it was an online auction very unlikely you payed by cheque. If by PayPal again an online auction you are covered by buyer protection.
So.....

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#2017219 - 05/31/13 01:35 PM Re: please help me. [Re: jeanpelch]
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And since you bought from an online auction how are you slandering anyone?
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#2017220 - 05/31/13 02:03 PM Re: please help me. [Re: jeanpelch]
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Post a scan of the Mantle over on net54 auto section and they will tell you for sure and save you the grading fees.

http://www.net54baseball.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31

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#2017224 - 05/31/13 07:59 PM Re: please help me. [Re: SMtJoy]
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Slander = verbal
Libel = written
This thread would fall under the latter.
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#2017228 - 06/01/13 05:34 AM Re: please help me. [Re: SMtJoy]
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 Originally Posted By: SMtJoy
Post a scan of the Mantle over on net54 auto section and they will tell you for sure and save you the grading fees.

http://www.net54baseball.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31


I am over at Net54 and us in the post-war section would like to know more about this. And yes theres a good group of us Mantle collectors there.
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