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#211989 - 09/17/03 11:13 AM Re: Disenchantment with PSA [Re: MW1]
aconte
Bid more or post more... tough one...


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I agree with FB and Basilone that we should not stir the pot in replying
to these comments made by Davalillo. It really should be between
King Kellogg and Davalillo.


Guys like Kobe should mind their own business. Starting new threads
on other boards can't be helpful. Rather childish move by Kobe.



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#211990 - 09/17/03 12:08 PM Re: Disenchantment with PSA [Re: aconte]
srs1a
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aconte, will you please stop making sense?

There are a couple of "gentlemen" who take great pleasure in cutting comments from this board and pasting them elsewhere. I guess it takes a genius to accomplish such complex tasks and they are really showing us all how smart they are. I know that it really impresses me.

On Davalillo1's posts over here -- there is nothing in them that he didn't already post on the CU board. I do not know his motivation for posting here since he states that he has no interest in moving from PSA. If I had a beef with someone "over there", I'd post it there. Why rip a PSA collector on the SGC board?

And, by the way, I enjoy the k-klub -- they are a funny bunch -- and have even invested in a few k kards! Yes, k-kards look just fine in an SGC holder.

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#211991 - 09/17/03 12:15 PM Re: Disenchantment with PSA [Re: aconte]
MW1
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srs1a,

I think you're right. I also find it unusual that so many of the attacks across the street are from anonymous user names.

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#211992 - 09/17/03 12:42 PM Re: Disenchantment with PSA [Re: MW1]
Ken_Uston
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MW,

Could you please explain the basis for your statement "I represent the greatest challenge to the PSA stronghold." That's a pretty bold contention. I understand that you are an eloquent and tireless supporter of SGC grading, but it seems that there are several larger challenges to the PSA stronghold than one dealer: Collectors Universe's financial picture, GAI, Beckett, raw card collectors, macro-economic factors -- even SGC.


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#211993 - 09/17/03 01:55 PM Re: Disenchantment with PSA *DELETED* [Re: Ken_Uston]
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#211994 - 09/17/03 02:45 PM Re: Disenchantment with PSA *DELETED* [Re: MW1]
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#211995 - 09/17/03 03:18 PM Re: Disenchantment with PSA [Re: MW1]
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Wow, this is disconcerting. What do people think about BGS? I think I blew my money buying a BGS 9.5 card because I heard they were so hard and strict and then I see so many more the same card at BGS 9.5 sold by the same seller.
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#211996 - 09/18/03 08:10 AM Re: Disenchantment with PSA [Re: wolverine]
Basilone
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Quote:

Personally, I don't trust a company that grades an altered card and then cons a successful businessman into spending $1.26 million for it.




That is a pretty strong statement......

Maybe you could answer these yes or no questions....

Is it your personal opinion that you do not trust PSA?

Is it your personal opinion that you feel the card in question is altered?

Is it a proven fact beyond a resonable doubt that the card in question is altered?


John



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#211997 - 09/18/03 09:50 AM Re: Disenchantment with PSA *DELETED* [Re: Basilone]
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#211998 - 09/18/03 10:09 AM Re: Disenchantment with PSA [Re: MW1]
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MW, please explain how PSA "conned" Siegle into spending $1.2 M for the card. What was the motivation--would they not have received essentially the same grading fee whether or not they gave it the thumbs up?

I suppose there's the argument that they get free advertising by having the card reside in their slab, but Mr. Siegel was and is free to have it reholdered in another company's slab if he wants, which would terminate the PSA advertising, wouldn't it? Speaking of another company, is it your position or belief that SGC would reject the Wagner card if presented to them for grading?

BTW, I am reserving judgment on whether the card was cut from a sheet, as I believe there is evidence to that effect, although the strength and quality of that evidence is not unassailable. I just have not been convinced that there was any malice or recklessness on PSA's part in grading the card, and would like more information or opinion on the subject, if you please.

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