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#219482 - 09/22/03 08:23 PM BCCG 10 Mint or better
spidermanbeyond
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I just won this lot:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2754292770&category=43371&rd=1

I have just started collecting tennis cards which is a small and new market. Can someone explain to me how a card can be 10 Mint or better. Are Beckett BGS and BCCG equivalent and what is the difference. Someone told me BCCG is for wholesale lots (bulk) cards. It seems like BCCG 10 is not that hard to get (I just won 10 of these). How much for grading each card? Thanks for your help. I'm really confused about this. I guess for 50 cents a piece, I can't go wrong.

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#219483 - 09/22/03 09:01 PM Re: BCCG 10 Mint or better [Re: spidermanbeyond]
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BCCG is one of the worst abominations in the marketplace today. i would not even (routinely) call a BCCG 10 as equivalent to a BGS 9 card.

This set of cards is not a difficult one to find in top grade. Even BGS 9.5 cards from the same set do not realize more than $8/piece.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2751425634&category=43371

I hope that the cards exceed your expectations...
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#219484 - 09/23/03 03:26 AM Re: BCCG 10 Mint or better *DELETED* [Re: spidermanbeyond]
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#219485 - 09/23/03 09:04 AM Re: BCCG 10 Mint or better [Re: MW1]
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I remember seeing BCCG first on Home Shopping Network or QVC and the guy screaming about how all these rookie cards are GEM MINT 10. I was thinking isn't a 10.0 supposed to be really hard. I can accept that my BCCG 10 maybe a BGS 9 but BGS 7 or 8 is kind of pushing it. The prices on BCCG seem to be incredibly low and hardly seem worth it. It sounds like a bad idea if you ask me. Based on your submitting prices, I guess the seller is losing money on this one. Correct?
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#219486 - 09/23/03 09:21 AM Re: BCCG 10 Mint or better [Re: spidermanbeyond]
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Quote:

I remember seeing BCCG first on Home Shopping Network or QVC and the guy screaming about how all these rookie cards are GEM MINT 10. I was thinking isn't a 10.0 supposed to be really hard. I can accept that my BCCG 10 maybe a BGS 9 but BGS 7 or 8 is kind of pushing it. The prices on BCCG seem to be incredibly low and hardly seem worth it. It sounds like a bad idea if you ask me. Based on your submitting prices, I guess the seller is losing money on this one. Correct?




Right -- that is basically the problem with BCCG. Two points: 1) A lot of cards that normally would not get submitted through BGS get submitted through BCCG. Basically cards that are either a) lower grade or b) cards that are so low in value that the incremental price of the BGS grading are not worth the expense.

The problem that I have always had with BCCG is basically they are exploiting relatively uneducated consumers into their 1-10 grading strategy. BGS and BVG have developed their brand based on the paradigm that 9.5 is GEM MINT, 9 is MINT, 8 is NM/MT, etc. So basically, Beckett developed BCCG to create a kind of perception that a card is a 10, when in fact the card would grade differently within the same corporate structure. It seems slimy and dishonest to me to have one company that would have one subgroup grade a card a 10, and have another subgroup that would only grade the card a 9. Incidentally, Beckett is NO WAY guarantees that a BCCG 10 will cross over to a BGS or BVG 9. I have numerous examples that have failed this "cross".

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#219487 - 09/23/03 09:29 AM Re: BCCG 10 Mint or better [Re: buttermarc]
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There are way too many grading card companies. You are right. Beckett seems unethical in having a double standard grading service. A novice or beginner is buying a BCCG 10 in the belief that it is really a Gem Mint perfect card. There needs to be one standard or the hobby suffers. Right now CGC (comic grading) is where PSA was in the beginning and setting the standard.
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