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#222783 - 09/26/03 07:23 AM This Forum is Dying!!!!!!
KLL
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This forum and all of the card related forums seem to be dying a slow death. Posting activity seems to be at a crawl. And I am to blame as much as the next guy.
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#222784 - 09/26/03 07:54 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
LucyBop
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Maybe it could use a HepKitty!
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#222785 - 09/26/03 08:04 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: LucyBop]
njdolphins
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KLL

Rejoice in the fact that you obviously have a life outside of the board. Don't think of it as dying. There are still many interesting topics discussed. Eat drink and sleep hobby isn't good for you
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#222786 - 09/26/03 08:39 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: njdolphins]
aconte
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NJ,

Nice Koufax logo. I'll be waiting for your email tonight.

KLL,

I spend more time than I should on the boards. Read alot but
don't post since it is tough at work.

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#222787 - 09/26/03 04:07 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
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KLL,

I both agree and disagree. The popularity of the SGC forum has steadily increased since day 1. The vintage (Network54) forum has also seen steady growth. The CU forum, however, has steadily declined in activity and quality since major contributors were banned or discouraged from posting.

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#222788 - 09/26/03 05:02 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: MW1]
vayank
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and that's a yes to the hepkitty...
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#222789 - 09/27/03 07:39 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: vayank]
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I can't speak with regards to this forum but in regards to the Collectors Universe forums, I'm not sure that the quantity of the posts are down but no doubt if you are interested in vintage cards, the quality has dropped. The "boards" are mostly populated by younger collectors who collect in 1970s and newer. There is expertise about individual sets into the 1960s but aside from Marc Schonoen(sp?) who seldom posts anymore because he is in school, I haven't seen anyone with broad expertise in vintage sets.

Good place to go, however, if you want to be patted on the back for getting a few Kellogg psa 9s (which accounts for most of the Kellogg grades).

Davalillo

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#222790 - 09/27/03 02:51 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: MW1]
KLL
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I can not offer an opinion regarding network 54. I am not familiar with it. CU chat boards have also gain in popularity since day 1. In terms of content, CU boards may not be everyones cup of tea. But the activity on that board can not be denied.

I don't want to get into the PSA/SGC thing again, but for the most part, participation on CU boards on any given day seems to be more than we may see here in a given month! There are times when nothing is generated on this board for agiven 48 hour period.

MW- Can you privide a link for the Network 54 board?? That would be appreciated.

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#222791 - 09/27/03 04:53 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
vayank
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I wish we could something about these anonymous shill accounts that add nothing to the forum.
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#222792 - 09/27/03 05:25 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: vayank]
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I do agree that the PSA board tends to be more "modern" nowadays. I've always enjoyed reading (now posting) to the SGC board. This board does tend to focus more on the vintage than the modern. However, I would have to disagree with those who think the quality of the posts on these boards are declining simply because they're going "modern".

Although I collect vintage (and I mean 50s and pre-war hockey) as well as 60s and 70s, and some 80s hockey, modern is the future of card collecting. Walk into any card show and I think you would agree you see more kids and guys and gals in their 20s and 30s, than seeing 50+ and over. There are still many modern and vintage experts on the PSA board, and the fact that a few folks do not post any more, hasn't hurt the boards at all IMHO.


Edited by grilloj39 (09/27/03 05:27 PM)
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#222793 - 09/27/03 07:01 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
aconte
Bid more or post more... tough one...


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And I am to blame as much as the next guy.




KLL,

I agree with you. Hopefully, you can help change that. I look forward
to your contributions in the future.

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#222794 - 09/27/03 08:13 PM Re: This Forum is Growing!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
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MW- Can you privide a link for the Network 54 board?? That would be appreciated.



Link to Network 54 Forum

Recommendation: If you post here, you'll have to identify yourself. If you don't and you express a strong opinion, your post will be deleted.

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#222795 - 09/27/03 08:17 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: Davalillo1]
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Good place to go, however, if you want to be patted on the back for getting a few Kellogg psa 9s (which accounts for most of the Kellogg grades).





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#222796 - 09/28/03 06:47 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: vayank]
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There is expertise about individual sets into the 1960s but aside from Marc Schonoen(sp?) who seldom posts anymore because he is in school, I haven't seen anyone with broad expertise in vintage sets.




Davalillo -- thank you for the nice words. In fact -- the breadth of my knowledge is worthy of a big thanks to many like yourself.

As for your other comment -- there often is too much quantity on the other boards. It is a tough balance -- the CU boards often seem to have the most "new" collectors come visit the boards, but, in general, it is too cumbersome and time-consuming for any one individual to spend adequate time to bring them up to speed.

Marc
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#222797 - 09/29/03 07:08 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: buttermarc]
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OK KLL, I'll bite.

Since you want to help out and make the board more active, what sets are you collecting? (I seem to remember that you were looking for high grade commons from the 50's and early 60's...but which sets are you really focusing on?) How are you doing on the sets? Have you registered any of them? What have been your greatest challenges? Which card is really driving you crazy?

Let's "talk" -- no use "dying" just yet!


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#222798 - 09/29/03 07:49 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: srs1a]
grilloj39
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Okay...here's what i got and here's what i'm working on;

hockey; I collect rookie cards from the 60's and 70's. some 80's (gretzky, lemieux, bourque, and messier rookies). Also, bruins commons and stars in high grade.

completed 1954 topps hockey -- average grade vg-vg-ex. about 20% of the set is graded. i am currently working on another low grade set.

completed 71-72 opc hockey...I have a ken dryden gai 8.5 rookie that's my star of this set. only about 10% of this set is graded and is in the ex-mint to near-mint range.

completed: (just recently)...1933 v357 ice kings...low, low grade. average card grade is 1-2 range with a couple of 3s and 4s. working on another set...this is going to take a few years and is not my highest priority. Only 7 cards graded thus far. I love these cards (they are my favorite set by far).

new project: going to try to build a c56 1910 hockey set..i have only 2 of the 36 card set. I am definitely going low grade on this.

semi-new project: finish my 51 parkhurst hockey set: i have the howe, richard rookies in vg condition. i have 22 of the 105 card set thus far. 11 gai graded.

baseball:

roberto clemente, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 68, 69, 72, 73. the rookie is gai 5.5 and the 58 is a gai 7.5. i want to get every single issue up to his death in 73. (no modern inserts).

basketball. i have virtually every key basketball rookie in existence (except Russell and Mikan). i have an gai 8.5 "dr j" rookie from 1972.

football:

I collect Raymond Berry and have several of his cards in the gai 6.0 to gai 7.5 range. but that's really it as far as football is concerned.

Issues: No time to go to shows, not much time to do lengthly e-bay searches as well, and balancing my hobby spending money between buying cards and sending them off for grading.


Edited by grilloj39 (09/29/03 07:52 PM)
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#222799 - 09/30/03 05:16 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: grilloj39]
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Hi grilloj39 --

I noticed you are from San Antonio. Are there any decent card shows in your town? There is zip, zilch, zero, nada here in Austin. Of course, the most often seen bumper stickers on cars in this town read, "Keep Austin Weird" ... so maybe it stands to reason.

Best shows I can find within easy driving distance are in Houston. Dallas is too far to drive to/from in a single day. So, what's the scoop on SA shows?

From a hobby perspective, I'm tired of being stuck in Austin with the weirdos.


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#222800 - 09/30/03 05:25 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: deadlyembrace]
grilloj39
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1---the Pat Booker Convention Center (off I-35 and near Randolph AFB) has them from time to time. They are pretty good, there are some pretty fine football collections (is it Texas after all) there, not too much hockey. Sometimes I just go to look around and buy supplies. You can get great deals on vintage football and vintage football commons.
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#222801 - 10/01/03 10:27 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: srs1a]
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To answer your question, I am mainly focusing on 1959 topps at this time. I have a group of close to 75 cards graded 88 or 92- a couple of 96's. I recently crossed over about 150 SGC 88/92/96's from 1960-1962 into PSA holders. I will not cross my 1959's- because they look to nice in the SGC holders. But my 1959's are my main focus, my favorite year. I have given up on the other years and will be consigning the lot to a dealer.

I did well with my cross overs of SGC 88 & 92's. Very few came back lower in grade. Actually, I had 5 of 30+ sgc 92 cross into PSA 9 holders! I did not do as well with my SGC 96's. Of the 20+ that I had 13 failed to cross to PSA 9. I was told it was due to centering issues, which I more less agree with, but they are MINT nice cards regardless. Overall I was pleased with the results.

I gave up on these other years because cards from this period are seldom offered at the shows that I attend. I think I mentioned in a past post that one of my main sources over the past 3 years for SGC graded cards was Bob Kaiser (VA). I always bought from him at the Ft. Washington show. He no longer submits to SGC. And seldom are there any 92's or 96's offered for sale in my price range on EBAY and honestly, I am a bit hesitant to purchase any card without holding the card in my hand.

At the recent Ft. Washington show there was not a single 1959-1962 Topps baseball SGC 88 or 92/96 in the room.

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#222802 - 10/01/03 03:26 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
deadlyembrace
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KLL --

I have a passing interest in 1962 Topps baseball graded SGC 96 or better. Out of curiosity, were any of the 96s that you attempted to cross to PSA from the 1962 set?

If so, would mind posting a list of those cards?

Actually, I used to own a lot of SGC 96s in the 1961, 1960 and 1959 Topps sets. Would you mind posting the list of all 96s you crossed to PSA regardless of year/set?

TIA ...


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#222803 - 10/01/03 04:55 PM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
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KLL,

I would be interested to know the centering on the SGC 96 cards that PSA refused to cross due to centering. I am surprised at the result because:

-- PSA says that a card with 65/35 centering can get a Gem MInt 10 grade if it has good eye appeal (it is not clear to me how 65/35 centering, even with good eye appeal, qualifies as perfection); and
-- given the centering I have seen on some PSA 9 1971 topps baseball cards I cannot imagine SGC 96 cards with worse centering.

Can you post a scan of one or two of the SGC 96 cards?


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#222804 - 10/01/03 06:44 PM KLL and the SGC 96s [Re: KLL]
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KLL,

I too would be interested in seeing some of those uncrossed SGC 96s. Hey, maybe I'll even take a few of them off of your hands!

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#222805 - 10/03/03 10:16 AM Re: This Forum is Dying!!!!!! [Re: KLL]
deadlyembrace
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Hey KLL --

I'll try again ...

Given the numbers of SGC 96's currently listed in SGC's Online Population Guide for the 1959, 1960, 1961 and 1962 Topps baseball sets, I can tell you that I used to own a large percentage of them. AND I have scanned pictures of all of them. So, I'd REALLY be interested in the list of SGC-graded mint cards that you attempted to cross to PSA holders. I'd be happy to post the pix of all of them that I used to own so that everyone can see for themselves what PSA considers to be legitimate centering problems.

Let's have that list.


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#222806 - 10/03/03 10:29 AM Where's dat list? [Re: deadlyembrace]
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