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#2644 - 08/14/02 12:01 AM SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
vayank
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Great news for the hobby and SGC set builders in particular. I can't wait to post my 1977 set.

Thanks alot, guys!!!!
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#2645 - 08/14/02 02:11 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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vayank,

I heard the same thing!!

I have not logged on the Psa forum yet. Did you do the honors and let them
know? LOL!!

I'm sure Fatcat is especially interested!

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#2646 - 08/14/02 05:06 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
vayank
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We were both scooped on the other Board...:). I'll be interested to see who registers a '77 set.

As much as anything, the registry will help build a COMMUNITY of SGC collectors.

I'm heading to New Mexico for a week. Wish me fun, folks!!


Edited by vayank (08/14/02 05:07 AM)
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#2647 - 08/14/02 07:38 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I wish you much fun. I'm so curious about how this thing is going to work (the registry).
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#2648 - 08/16/02 07:00 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I will be ready to register my 1964 Topps cards when the registry comes up. I have some being graded right now, but i'll hold off on sending any more until we find out if SGC offers any registry specials. Has anyone heard anything new?
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#2649 - 08/17/02 03:24 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: chuckster]
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Hi Chuckster --

If you subscribe to SGC's email list, they regularly send out grading specials. I haven't submitted cards in a while ... so I don't know how they compare to regularly posted prices ... but they seem darn reasonable.


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#2650 - 08/17/02 10:16 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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deadlyembrace,
You are absolutely right about SGC offering some great specials. I have used the 10% off coupon special a couple of times. Maybe they will offer a registry special sort of like what PSA is doing. I'm just going to be patient and see what the registry is like before I send in my next order. I would kick myself if I sent in a big order and found out later that I missed an awesome special!

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#2651 - 08/20/02 03:07 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Glad to hear the SGC registry is ready to go!!!

I've got my 1952 Red Man tobacco set ready to be registered. I have a few holes, but I'm hopeful the other SGC faithfuls will help me fill it out.

mrredman

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#2652 - 08/20/02 04:12 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
downgoesfrazier
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D.C. (aka mrredman),
YOU have HOLES!?!?! The world's best Red Man collection has needs??? Welcome aboard. I can't wait to see the all of your treasures. For those who don't know, this guy holds some of the hobby's finest known examples. Good luck finishing.
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#2653 - 08/20/02 06:36 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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Very cool.

Hiya Red, welcome to the hang out.

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#2654 - 08/22/02 02:57 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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As it turned out, I just added an SGC 84 1952 Berra to my Red Man collection. The 1952's are really tough, even after collecting Red Mans exclusively for 20+ years. And everyone knows how tough SGC grades!! That's why I use them exclusively. I would just as soon have a set that is graded rock solid, than one that is really "loosey goosey" (PSA).

I now have my 1952 set to an average of 85.4. I believe the very best possible 1952 Red Man set average currently is 88.8. If I can replace four 80's, two 70's and one 60 with all 84's, I'd be a very happy camper !!! Those are my "holes". Therefore, I'm always looking for people to trade SGC graded Red Mans.

The journey for nirvana continues.

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#2655 - 08/22/02 03:04 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: Architecht]
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Thanks Arch. Hope SGC builds a really nice registry that will be very interactive and shows off the real value of the SGC holder and their grading standards. I am confident that a vast majority of the top vintage sets in the hobby will eventually end up in SGC holders.

mrredman


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#2656 - 08/26/02 12:13 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I noticed the news flash about the registry on SGC's home page. They have rolled out a 'set building' special and listed some features of the registry. What do you all think? I'm looking forward to it.
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#2657 - 08/26/02 03:40 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: chuckster]
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I hate advertising my abundant ignorance like this, but what's the deal with the Set Registry scores? All else in SGC's teaser sounds great. But, as I've hinted in other threads, I am clueless on the "registry basics".

Can anyone enlighten me? Set Registry 101?

TIA


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#2658 - 08/26/02 03:40 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: chuckster]
vayank
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C > I'm excited too. This registry is SGC's coming out party! I knew those darn Skeffingtons would get with the program. SGC just needs to keep tooting the horn, and touting the registry every chance they get

Edited by vayank (08/26/02 03:53 PM)
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#2659 - 08/26/02 04:56 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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deadlyembrace,
What I know about set registries is based on what PSA has been doing. Basically, the registry promotes set building by giving you a chance to share and compare your progress with other collectors. Cards in the sets are 'weighted' by importance or value. (example- a Mickey Mantle card will count much more in your set score than a common of the same grade). As you acquire more cards, or acquire higher graded cards you may rise in the rankings for that particular set's registry. It's friendly competition that inspires a lot of great conversation, trading, and interaction between collectors. I'm new to it myself, so if I left some important things out someone else please jump in. D.E. - it sounds like you have some great cards so I'm sure you will really enjoy the registry.

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#2660 - 08/29/02 08:45 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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im new here but cant wait for the registry and hope to hear about everyones sets good luck
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#2661 - 09/16/02 01:51 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
vayank
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I plan on registering my 1977 Topps Set? What does everyone else plan on registering??
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#2662 - 09/17/02 08:08 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: chuckster]
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Built into PSA's set registry in the capability to verify that the card you say you have (by ID #) is the grade that you say it is (I hope that makes sense!).

So, for SGC to offer a set registry, they need to offer some sort of authentification verification which is not offered today. As both PSA and Beckett's offer this capability, I see it as something that SGC needs.

Does anyone know about this?

thanks,

Scott


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#2663 - 09/18/02 02:50 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: srs1a]
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Hi Scott --

In reply to:

... for SGC to offer a set registry, they need to offer some sort of authentification verification which is not offered today ...




I'm not sure how you know that there will not be an authentication mechanism in the upcoming SGC Set Registry, but, given that it has been advertised as an "SGC only" registry and validating/verifying a card would be a simple matter of querying SGC's own databases, I'd be shocked if the registry lacked authentication. I guess we'll know soon.


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#2664 - 09/20/02 12:16 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
vayank
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I have to get this off my chest...

I CAN NOT WAIT FOR THE REGISTRY! THIS PUPPY IS EXCITED!
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#2665 - 09/25/02 07:56 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming On or About 10/15/02 ** New Target Date [Re: deadlyembrace]
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7 days to go... I wonder if SGC will blast out some info soon ... ?!?

New Target Date is 10/15/02


Edited by vayank (09/28/02 12:35 AM)
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#2666 - 09/27/02 07:32 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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VaYank,

How do you know it is seven days to go? I'm under the impression that the
Sgc registry will be available in October some time. I did not know if it would
happen right on October 1st.

I hate to see you get your hopes up too high and then think that Sgc did
not hit their date. I'm sure some of the Psa consumers are eager to see
Sgc not succeed in this venture.

For me it is a definite good thing. I can't wait either but I haven't started
any clock!

aconte
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#2667 - 09/27/02 07:33 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
vayank
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Tony, you are correct. I have always said I want it right more than I want righ now. I'm being an optimist.
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#2668 - 09/27/02 07:34 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
aconte
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On the other hand two and a half hours to go before the Fort Washington
show! Now I'm really excited.

If I hear anything on the Sgc Registry I'll post it on the board tonight
or tomorrow.

Later!

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#2669 - 09/27/02 04:04 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
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Matthew,

I spoke with Sean at the Ft. Washington show tonight. He's hoping the
registry will be up by mid October. Hopefully, the 15th or so. I'm definitely
looking forward to it.

The show was very busy. Sgc was doing onsite grading. Psa was not.
I don't think Beckett or Gai were at the show this time. I'm not sure since
I did not ask. I didn't have a lot of time to browse. There sure looked like there
was a lot of traffic at the show though. Sgc was quite busy. I'm sure it helped
that Psa was not doing onsite grading. I did see a few people crossing
over various vintage Psa holdered cards to Sgc holdered cards.

I crossed over 5 of my 8 1954 Psa 8 red man cards to Sgc 88's. Three
were not certain to cross so I kept them in the Psa holder. I did this in
anticipation for the set registry. I'm hoping to register my 1954 set on the
Sgc registry. Possibly more down the line... There accuracy of their grading
keeps me coming back for more! Derek accurately and consistently grades
these cards on the mark. He knows his stuff!

Overall, the Ft. Washington show was fun. I didn't see much in terms of
red man cards. One dealer had some Psa 8's and a 7. I didn't need much.
He had one card I needed. However, I felt it was overgraded. Mr. Mint
has three red man sets up for auction at the end of September. They
were at the show for preview. He says they are the best he's ever seen
at nm/mt to mt+++. They were nice in the felt black background binder.
But I guess my definition of nm/mt is a tad different than his. I thought
that most cards were ex/mt to nm overall.

Talk to you soon and happy collecting.

aconte



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#2670 - 10/14/02 03:00 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
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SO ... here we are on Oct 14th. Is this the eve of the big SGC Set Registry roll-out?

Any new news?


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#2671 - 10/15/02 02:40 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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Well, here it is the 15th, and we have yet to hear a "drum roll".

As a kid I remember how long it took for ketchup to come out of the bottle. I learned to be patient, cause I knew it would taste good once it finally came out.

Let's hope the SGC Registry works the same way!!

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#2672 - 10/15/02 02:56 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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I chatted with Sean last week. October remains the "unveiling" month....
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#2673 - 10/15/02 02:56 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Who ever said "No news is good news!" is wrong in this case.

Sure would like to know what's the status!

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#2674 - 10/16/02 05:29 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
aconte
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I got an email from Sean. With all the work going into the registry, Sgc
is looking at around the end of October.

Can't wait. This works out good with me. I probably would not be able
to work on anything until then.

aconte
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#2675 - 10/16/02 06:21 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
vayank
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Well, we know now Sean reads the message Boards....
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#2676 - 10/17/02 07:25 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
aconte
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vayank,

Actually I sent him an email asking the question about the registry a couple
days ago. He kindly took the time out of his day to respond.

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#2677 - 10/23/02 07:02 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
deadlyembrace
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tick, tick, tick ...

November approaches!


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#2678 - 10/23/02 07:17 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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i agree tick tock tick tock
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#2679 - 10/23/02 07:51 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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I'm getting a little worried about SGC -- I recently learned that my friends at "On the Hill Cards" (in Kunkletown, PA...littledevildog on eBAY) have stopped using SGC...and have gone to PSA for service! This blows my mind, but I have nothing but the highest levels of respect for this dealer. The fact that SGC did something to chase away a long-time and well respected dealer of their product is mind numbing. Next thing you know, and zubes1156 will be using PSA, as well (I better to and check). Not good.

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#2680 - 10/23/02 11:27 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: srs1a]
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that worries me also, why is on the hil leaving sgc? they are real nice people i have bought a bunch of sgcs from them,makes me nervous so does the registry taking so long, wondering if i should go back to psa.
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#2681 - 10/23/02 03:45 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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I will miss them too, but that's they way it goes. Fact is, when I first started building my 1977 SGC set, they were the only sellers of '77 SGC slabs. Now they are 6 or 7. The beat goes on.
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#2682 - 10/23/02 03:59 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: srs1a]
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Walt just figured that PSA is easier on the grades & easier to sell for higher prices. Of course he opted for PSA. He and I were discussing the fact he was getting 92's on cards he felt were mint. I told him if he wants sliders he'll have to use PSA. He tried 'em and got back 10's on those very same type of cards...voila! A PSA convert. He sells quality regardless of the holder . He has a good eye as well. He still likes SGC and it had NOTHING to do with their being an inferior company. It's just business. I'll bet if the registry takes off and the market returns for SGC, he will too.

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#2683 - 10/23/02 06:47 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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I am curious to see how the respective registry sections pan out in the next two years. Any predictions?
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#2684 - 10/24/02 12:36 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: 77collector]
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What do you mean by registry *sections*?

In several years, i expect several hundred sets listed with one 92-caliber 1977 set.
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#2685 - 10/24/02 04:24 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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OK, down to the meat.

(1) the market says that PSA cards in the same grade are worth more than SGC
(2) recent experience says that SGC grades tougher than PSA (my experience is that they are about the same, but no matter)

So, why deal with SGC -- tougher grades, and worse resale value? And if the above is correct, why does this say about their long term viability?

I am trying to play the devils advocate here -- I am really struggling.

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#2686 - 10/24/02 04:25 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I meant the popularity of each companies registry vs another. I suspect Beckett will start one up also. Whose will be the best in terms of participants and/or value as in selling prices??
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#2687 - 10/24/02 05:09 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: 77collector]
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S > I don't have any answers for you regarding your business model as it relates to re-sale. SGC grades better, tougher, great customer service, great prices, great turnaround time, and the cards look great in the slab. Why go else where?

Edited by vayank (10/24/02 05:11 AM)
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#2688 - 10/24/02 03:11 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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I've had a lot of business dealings with Walt, and I know him to be a great guy. If he chose to go to PSA on his own ... and it works out well for him ... I wish him the best. But if SGC had an opportunity to fight for his business (so long as they weren't asked to compromise their high standards) and didn't ... I would be shocked and disappointed.


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#2689 - 10/24/02 05:52 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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DE & Friends, Just business. He wasn't getting any bids at all on his 92's. Those same cards turned 9's & 10's from PSA and moved like hot cakes. PSA is the market. It's just a fact. Not how I choose to see it, but an undeniable fact and certainly not one a submitter Walt's size could overlook.

Look, eighteen months ago, SGC was gaining acceptance as a viable alternative. SGC 92's were, indeed getting premiums--even on modern. Then the PSA registry hit and locked up the dollars and ego's (A brutal combination to overcome) of many collectors including myself. I mentioned then to Derek and the guys that it was IMPERATIVE to them to come up with an answer to that marketing coup. To date they have not.

Nobody who is credible in this hobby would deny that SGC is quality, and long-term...who knows, but they must get more cards in that holder! Even if they offer free set cross-overs or $2 grading specials...to gain acceptance they must be visible...and I mean right now. 70's set building is booming right now. It is the decade of choice of many as the cards are still somewhat affordable and can be found in high grade...RAW in quantity. The 30-somethings are re-living their cardboard childhoods. RAW is important to grading companies for obvious reasons...that's where the $$$ is. The company that slabs the 70's & 80's will carve a substantial niche for themselves...for now it's PSA.
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#2690 - 10/25/02 12:30 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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77 > I hear you and understand.

But when you think of it, it's a buy the holder, not the card situation. Also, the grading was too tough and they changed companies to get easier grades therefore more cash. What does that say about PSA, other than there is a slab tax?

And your analysis is entirely business. For the collector, it's not a hard choice and I've made the right one. I wish Walt and Deb all the best. See you on "the Hustings"
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#2691 - 10/25/02 05:28 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Yank,
Unfortunately, it IS a business...whether you're a collector or not. For me, I hope to do a set entirely SGC graded that will look attractive in their holder and can be done inexpensively with unopened product. Right now I've got my eye on '83 Topps, but that may change. The bottom line is, for SGC to stay in business, they need more submissions. The collector won't cut it. They need dealers with bulk lots to get the product in the face of the collector. Losing Walt is significant. I would love to see some SGC stuff make it to Mastro or the like. How about Andy Madec displaying SGC at a show...something like that would certainly help.
A Registry about a year ago would have helped too. It may be too late.
What would happen if SGC approached Shoeless or BBCEx or Dslsports with an introductory offer they couldn't refuse. It's business!

By the way, would you want to do a trade for one of your cards for two or three of mine...or some gorgeous raw stuff? You've got a card that I need and I know I've got a bunch you need. LMK.
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#2692 - 10/25/02 09:23 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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77's is right. We've discussed this in another thread. SGC's priority right now is to get product (graded commons) into the market as quickly as possible. What's the use of having a card registry if there are no cards to register! As I've stated before, the quickest way to do this is with radical pricing. $3-$5 grading with 10 day turn around. 10 card minimum.
As to Walt's decision to go with PSA, I can't blame the guy. I still buy something from them every week, whether it's SGC or PSA. Remember buy the card, not the holder etc., etc.
I don't view SGC's grading as harder or PSA's as more lenient. SGC is consistent, period. Some of their card values may be lower, but their are many factors that currently contribute to that. The one thing that SGC can do that will address this situation is to GET THE REGISTRY UP AND RUNNING!

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#2693 - 10/25/02 10:01 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: Fabfrank]
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Walt's decision is more reason why I look for Sgc graded cards. The problem
is that it is not the consensus.

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#2694 - 10/25/02 12:24 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
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SO WHEN IS SGC GOING TO CHANGE IT TO COMING IN NOVEMBER?
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#2695 - 10/25/02 12:49 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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Remo > send out some positive vibes...we have several days left in October.....!......

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#2696 - 10/25/02 12:53 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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77 > Walt was getting at least one bid on his 92's

Also, I know what you are referring to. I'll PM you. I don't have a scanner so that's why I did not send you...fyi...
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#2697 - 10/25/02 04:10 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Matthew,
You have me confused with Kurt...It's Belanger I seek. And, since it's SGC I'm pretty confident of what it looks like being in a 9 holder. Just LMK if it has any touches to any corners or centering issues. I've got loads of SGC 96's to choose from and stacks of 92's. If you really want to clean up, I'll trade you a nice chunk of 92 or better raw stuff fresh from vending and cherry picked for color and real, real clean & sharp. I got 96's on the vending twins...so they're nice. 77's are, after all, what I do. LMK
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#2698 - 10/25/02 04:22 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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Phil,

sorry...we have some rule about using 77s in screen names..LOL...PM me an offer....92s would be dandy....
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#2699 - 10/25/02 07:09 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Matthew and Phil - My apologies for causing confusion with that Evans scan I wanted to see.

Phil - I hope you got my last email (I trust you did as I heard no reply) and again I am very sorry.

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#2700 - 10/26/02 02:02 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: 77collector]
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Kurt > You'll be as old me someday and will get confused too...
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#2701 - 10/27/02 02:28 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I see its now coming soon that clears them for a long time they are losing creditability with possible new collectors not good.
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#2702 - 10/27/02 02:46 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Speaking of credibility ... you should register.


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#2703 - 10/27/02 03:46 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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#2704 - 10/28/02 04:51 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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WELL IM REGISTERED AND I AGREE ON THE CREDITABILITY I M STICKING WITH SGC BECAUSE I LIKE THE CARDS AND THERE GRADING BUT THE LONGER IT TAKES THEM TO GET THIS REGISTRY GOING THE LESS CHANCE OF GETTING MORE DEALERS AND NEW COLLECTORS TO SUBMIT CARDS AND THATS WHAT THEY NEED MOST IN MY OPINION.
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#2705 - 10/28/02 04:59 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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Remo > The caps are a little to hard to read .... fyi ....
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#2706 - 10/28/02 07:05 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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As a 22+ year veteran in the software development business, I can honestly say that's it's not surprising when a target deploy date is missed. If production deployment occurs "shortly" after the announced target date (... "shortly" is a totally subjective measure), and if the delivered product knocks your socks off ... all will be forgiven by the registry's customers/users.


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#2707 - 10/28/02 07:29 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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Sorry about the caps.I totally agree with you on that lets hope thats what happens then we will all be winners
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#2708 - 10/28/02 02:09 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Just joined the message board tonight. Been collecting SGC vintage for about 3 years or so. I'd like to build on what everyone has been saying about SGC promoting their service and locking up some new dealers by way of the Set Registry. For the time being, lets set aside the lack of commons available in SGC holders and focus on the superstars and semi-star cards say from 1969 and back (which is what I collect).

As a collector - I struggle with the shear lack of high-grade cards available to buy. My last few purchases have been PSA cards that I plan to cross-over into SGC holders to match the rest of my collection - and I've done it, more out of desperation than desire.

I check Ebay everyday and do a scan of SGC dealer's websites - with little hope of finding a Maris, Aaron, Killebrew,etc in and 88 or higher grade. BMW has beautiful but very expensive cards, the other 2 - 3 dealers have decent, but limited inventory to choose from.

Ebay is quickly becoming monopolized by a few users who are willing to pay outlandish prices for anything vintage in 92 grade or higher. For example, I was lucky to get 2 cards from DHcards recent month long 1968 blitz - only because the 2 - 3 guys who bought nearly everything, probably got distracted and couldn't submit a huge bid in-time. 1950's Bowman's have gotten even worse.

For the time being, I'm buying PSA's and waiting for SGC to reevaluate the $15 per card crossover fee. It would be nice for SGC to include this service in one of their $7 promotional deals. Maybe this would get some collectors/dealers to convert some high-end 8's over to 92 holders and see the buying interest that exists. Who knows, maybe I may get sucked into a temporary bidding war if I finally see something in the way of SGC vintage superstars.


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#2709 - 10/28/02 02:28 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: stanthemanfan]
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STMfan > Welcome to the board!! Your plight is one of the reasons I decided to build a '77 Topps set. I can still acquire quality raw and unopended material to build my set. I can buy a raw set and have a chance of getting high grade quality. You've taken on a great challenge and I salute you for it! Good luck...
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#2710 - 10/31/02 08:24 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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That's another good idea. Lower the fee on crossover grading. Anything that gets more SGC cards into the market. This should be SGC's #1 priority. This is the key to getting the SGC Registry going. If there's no product, there's no Registry.
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#2711 - 10/31/02 03:10 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: Fabfrank]
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With a full graded set, I think liquidity is even more important than single/individual cards. It's difficult to expect people to spend $6+ each to grade significant quantities of $0.25 commons if it's unlikely they will get even the grading fees back should they choose to sell. I think in this regard, SGC faces a significant challenge. Are prices down because there aren't enough SGC-graded cards? Or are there so few SGC-graded cards because prices are down? I don't proclaim to have the answer to either question. However, I think it's the single most important problem facing SGC's registry.

As some of you may know, I am building a 1975T baseball set in another company's holders. I'm rapidly approaching 90% complete on the 75 set and have decided my next project will be 1979 Topps baseball. I have not yet fully decided which grading company to use for this set. In the last couple weeks, I have picked up roughly 52 SGC96 - or about 7% of the set. I have yet to pay more than $3.50 per card. On the one hand, I'm happy to pick the cards up so inexpensively - but at the same time I'm really concerned about what that says about the liquidity of the issue. I realize they're 79T - and the market is down in general - but c'mon! Of those 52 cards, twelve of them I picked up for UNDER $3 each. What does it say when I am winning these at less than HALF the cost of grading?

While liquidity alone won't dictate whether my SGC96s stay in their holder or get cracked, it will be a major consideration. One that I would expect to be answered before I decide to invest several thousand dollars in building an SGC-graded set.

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#2712 - 11/01/02 02:15 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Mike,

I don't understand exactly what is driving the relatively low prices for SGC cards -vs- PSA, but it is a very large concern to me. Picking up 96's for less than the grading fee is great for you, but speaks loudly to the problem.

I also agree that if this situation continues, the set registry will never take off...why pay $5,6,7 to grade a card that has a resale value of $3-4 as as single and probably significantly less as part of a set.

I'm curious on your thoughts on doing a complete, graded set. From a resale perspective, do you think it was worth it? From a personal satisfaction standpoint, I'm sure it was!

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#2713 - 11/01/02 05:05 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Sup Beav?
Is the bulk of that 7% accurately graded as MINT 9? If so, I'd be clickin' my heels and doing a snoopy dance! 7% slabbed MINT in an attractive holder for under 3 bones?!?! Heck, with the $5 new grading special out west, you could cross 'em and still be in line with the grading fees. Factor in the PSA Tax and blind consumption of cert #'s we're all guilty of-- BANG! You 'da man! Of course, if you stay with SGC you'll rule the non-Frank '79 world

Seriously, Mike it's great to have your insight on this board. Very welcomed, indeed. Now we can talk in two locations.
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#2714 - 11/01/02 06:17 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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Guys,

It may sound hard to believe, but it's not all about re-sale value. There are real collectors, for whom re-sale is not the driving force. Accuracy, price, service and attractiveness of holder et al mean as much, if not more.

Also, re-sale is a bit of misnomer from a business perspective, at least on the secondary market. All other things being equal, would you rather buy a card for $90 and then re-sell it for $120, or buy it $65 and re-sell it $100? The first way has higher re-sale. The second is more profitable. As a business person, your goal is to make money. That's a long winded way of saying it's about profit margin, not re-sale, on the secondary market.

But we're along way from the original point of the thread. Maybe we should start another one.

In any case, the SGC Registry. "Premieres" November 7....
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#2715 - 11/01/02 09:47 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Yank,
That does suprise me. Cards holding their value should be very important to you if you're buying them graded. If re-sale means little to you, I would suggest you go raw. That said, your business model is flawed as well. The fact that you're getting great "deals" as you often state may be nothing more than you're being the only fish in the tank. That speaks to the liquidity of the product. We're also referring to submitting our cards raw (How SGC makes it's money). If the grading fee with PSA is less and the value of the card is more in their slab it makes SGC a tough option. I love the holder and the guys are great. I'm going to build some strictly SGC graded sets, but you have to be realistic. Until SGC offers free crossovers and $3 grading for 10 or more cards, there just won't be enough of the product visible to feed the potential dollars. They have a strong product, I will not argue that, but don't put your head in the sand where the dollars are concerned. Right now there is pescious little market for the SGC slab. I truly hope that changes, but I'm also hoping for a double-jointed supermodel with a twin sister to be let out of the convent and have their car breakdown outside my house...
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#2716 - 11/01/02 11:13 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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Matthew> I think your opinion on resale/liquidity is quite short-sighted. I have two points to make as to why-

1) Let's assume for a moment the raw card has no value. This means a dealer has $6-$7 per card in costs by the time you figure grading fees and shipping both ways. If a dealer is getting only half that when he goes to sell, what incentive is there for him to submit cards at all? If I were a dealer, I know there's no way I would submit cards knowing I'd take a 50% LOSS. Now. . .consider that I've been willing to pay $1-$3 for raw mint-quality 78s and 79s the loss is even higher. So while I LOVE being able to pick up SGC96 1979s at half the grading fees, I know full well that dealers won't be selling these for very long if they can't even break even. If the dealers/sellers aren't submitting, you can kiss the secondary market good-bye.
2) From a collector's standpoint, I expect the following from a grading company - consistency, accuracy, responsiveness, liquidity, & consistency. These are the ways in which a grading company adds value to a raw card. If one of these areas are missing or lacking, they start to diminish the appeal of grading versus a raw card. As Phil said, if reseale value is of no concern to you why not just leave the cards raw? Like Phil, I compile the vast majority of my sets either from my own submissions or in trades involving cards I have submitted. If I have little or no resale/trade value on the duplicates I submit, that's a BIG deal to me - even though I have no plans to sell off my set.

As I said, liquidity isn't the only factor for me but it is still fairly significant.

Mike


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#2717 - 11/02/02 11:06 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Aside from re-sale, there are plenty of good reasons for professsionally grading cards. Preservation and presentation of the cards for two. Challenge is another -- submitting raw material good enough to meet my minimum grade as well as buying SGC slabs from my favorite set, 1977 Topps. You could say I'm an "end user."
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#2718 - 11/02/02 01:13 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Matthew> I'll agree that those are valid reasons for pursuing a graded set. But I have some questions for you-

1) Protection/preservation - I agree that a holder protects a card quite nicely. But. . .does a holder provide $6 more protection than a Card Saver 1 would? $6 more than a binder of 9-pocket sheets?

2) Challenge - If you truly buy the card and not the holder - and you're initmately familiar with the issue - is someone else's validation of your opinion worth $7 if the "before" and "after" prices (factoring in the grading) aren't roughly the same?

3) Perception - When you submit a card that comes back an SGC96 (or PSA9), do you think any more of the card than you did before you sent it in?

Now. . .keep in mind that I have totally bought off on the assemblage of graded sets - and I'm guessing that at the moment my 75 set is further along than your 77 set. So I've already bought into the "other factors" that go into building a graded set as well. But if having cards graded does not add sufficient value (combination of resale and "other factors"), why should I spend $6-$8 each - and do so 700-plus times? I can find more than enough challenge and satisfaction in assembling the best 1979 set anyone's ever seen - whether it's in holders or not. For what I'd have just in grading fees for a 1979 set, I could easily buy a full vending case.

This is an issue that I've thought about quite a bit with regard to starting my 1979 set. And I too question how important liquidity/resale value is sometimes. The more I think about it, the more I ask myself what's the point of the exercise. If it's only to pursue the best example of each card imaginable for each card in a set, I'm secure enough in my knowledge of an issue to do that without paying for someone else to tell me so. So the "other factors" do have value or I wouldn't consider doing a graded set. But at the same time, why should I spend $1-$3 for a raw card + $7 for grading if the end result is valued at only $3? In my mind, the "other factors" aren't worth a loss of $5 per card.

I guess where we disagree comes down to how each of us answers the following question - Is it worth building a graded set if the cards in the holders are not worth at least the cost of the raw card plus the grading fee?

In all honesty, liquidity alone is what is keeping me from doing an all-SGC96 1979T set. Love the holder. . .consistency is there. . .service is fine. . .but without the warm-fuzzy that I'm not paying $8 to end up with a $3 card-in-a-slab it just doesn't make sense to me. While the market isn't much better for 79s in holders from the guys in CA, my costs are a lot lower since their current special is $5/card until mid-January. And equally important, I at least have a chance at selling/trading any duplicates I end up with. If I could get either of those things from SGC-graded cards, I'd probably be there.

Mike

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#2719 - 11/02/02 01:28 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Actually, the above post is mine. Thought I had logged in on my other computer and hadn't so it dropped in my post as anonymous.

I hate it when that happens. . .

Sorry for any confusion.
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#2720 - 11/02/02 01:56 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Hi Guys,
Just thought I would throw my 2 cents into the pool...Actually I guess I'm riding the fence on this one. I like Matthew's points about preservation and presentation of the cards we love to hold on to. But I have also held back lately on submitting some of my 1964 baseball commons because I do have a hard time paying $7.00 to grade a $3.00 card. But then again, it's my hobby. If your hobby was hunting, you would never get a return on those shotgun shells, etc. I could go back and forth all night with examples supporting both sides. I have some T206 cards at SGC right now being graded. I don't even give it a second thought on whether I should send those cards in. If a card survives 90+ years, I want to preserve and enjoy it. The bottom line is, if it makes you happy - do it.

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#2721 - 11/02/02 02:52 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: chuckster]
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Chuck> Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no problem paying $7 to have $0.50 commons graded. My hangup is at the end of the day, I'd like to think that the end result of my submissions at least equals the cost of the raw cards plus grading fees. But. . .I can even live with it if it isn't. More important to me is the effect resale value has on the secondary market. If a dealer can't even at least break even, then there's zero chance of a viable secondary market. If there's little to no secondary market, I don't see a whole lot of value-add there. In that case, I'd just as soon keep the cards in Card Savers.

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#2722 - 11/02/02 04:37 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Beavis,
You make excellent points. The stuff we're talking about is why I usually fill out about three different submission forms before I have the guts to finally send in my cards.
-Chuck

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#2723 - 11/02/02 04:45 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Mike --

For me, a top loader doesn't cut it. It's like I'm an archivist as much as collector. The holder helps with presentation, and has all the info and the third party opinion. To me, each 1977 card is important enough to be slabbed in the highest grade posssible.
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#2724 - 11/02/02 04:52 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Hi Mike --

Lots of interesting points made in your previous posts. Vayank scores a few, as well. I'd like to contribute a few tangential points that you may or may not have considered.

The rankest of commons or most plentiful of checklists from the 1962 Topps set in legitimate, unqualified, mint condition (ungraded) wouldn't sell for more than $15-25. Add a MINT slab from any of the industry leaders, and the card instantly appreciates to the $50-60 range. That's cost justification.

Your experiences with the '79 set are radically different. Perhaps your understandable concerns regarding the the wisdom of building of a graded, mint, '79 Topps set have more to do with current market demand for the set than the relative cost benefits of slabbing individual cards ... just a thought.

I'm curious ... what's your experience, in terms of investment value for '79 commons, from any of SGC's competitors?

A second point: you've not considered the potential windfall coming your way if you buy $3-4 SGC 96 cards today and are able to sell them in three/ten/??? year's time for $50-60. Long term investing is the name of the game if maximizing profits is your main motive. And when considering '79 Topps cards, perhaps you're on the leading edge.

In December, 1998, I bought 13 commons from the 1960 Topps set -- all graded SGC 96 -- for $15 per card. Mind you, SGC was the new guy on the block at the time, and PSA and CSA were the ONLY competition (no one paid attention to ASA). Earlier this year, I sold those cards for an average of $153 each. Risk and reward ...

Just my 2 cents ...





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#2725 - 11/02/02 05:08 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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Just reading and thought I'd say "Hi".

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#2726 - 11/02/02 05:18 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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We have a date certain for SGC Set Registry on November 7. So I have Thursday circled on my calendar. Hopefully, I'll register my '77 set.
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#2727 - 11/02/02 05:24 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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Hey 77s --

Back at ya ...

BTW, about your tagline ... "disco is underrated" ... I went to high school in New Orleans during the early seventies when disco was just beginning to make its evil presence known. In New Orleans, if you wanted to go out with women, you had to subject yourself to that stuff. I still walk with a limp ...


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#2728 - 11/03/02 03:02 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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DE, Nawlins' huh? sounds cool. Me, I just can't get enough polyester!
I'm thinking of registering my Saturday Night Fever set with SGC...
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#2729 - 11/03/02 03:23 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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DE> I think you're correct in that the effect of resale/liquidity will vary pretty widely depending on the set. Obviously it will also depend on market conditions. And you make a good point about the time factor as well.

As for the relative value from competitors on 1979s. . .I haven't been following the market for SGC-graded 79s for very long. As I mentioned before, in the last 2-3 weeks I've picked up 52 SGC96 at an average of $3.30 each. Over the course of the last year, PSA9s have typically gone anywhere from $6 to $15 - again, depending on the market, who was watching the auctions, and other factors.

I guess I wonder if SGC has any plans to be price-competitive with the folks out west.

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#2730 - 11/03/02 06:33 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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I guess I wonder if SGC has any plans to be price-competitive with the folks out west.





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#2731 - 11/04/02 04:29 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Mike, Chuck, DE, Matt,

Very interesting discussion...and I guess we all land in slightly different places because there are many reasons to collect.

I get cards slabbed for preservation of the card and for preservation of the value of the card. I don't buy presentation as a reason to slab a card -- to me, a choice card looks just as nice in a card saver as in a slab. Yes, you guessed it...my complete sets are a jumble of PSA, SGC, BGS/BVG graded cards and a ton of commons in card saver II's -- and they all look great!

I think the discussion of secondary market is extraordinarily important....I believe that any/all grading companies need an active secondary market to remain viable in the long term and this is my major worry about SGC. As far as I can tell, the only thing that they can actually do to stimulate the market is to stimulate demand for their grading services...and the only real knob here is price.

Excellent point on value/price -vs- time...today, there is no question about slabbing anything from the 60's and early-mid seventies (as long as you've got a good eye)...it gets very hazy as you move beyond that and that is where much of the discussion was focused.

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#2732 - 11/05/02 03:34 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: srs1a]
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Two days to go and I'll be set "registered!"
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#2733 - 11/06/02 04:36 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I'm not certain I have enough cards from any set to register, but I am anxious to see the format. On a related topic, does anyone else here think the population report works clumsy and slow? Trying to be constructive how could it be improved?
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#2734 - 11/07/02 01:23 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Alright. . .it's 9am ET. . .where is it?????
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#2735 - 11/07/02 02:05 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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its nice that the report is free but its slow and when is it updated does anyone know?
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#2736 - 11/07/02 02:35 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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BRM > All you need is one card.

Remo > I'm not sure the frequency, but it must be somewhat on a regular basis as I notice pop shifts from week to week.

Mike > I agree. no one is looking for forward to it than me.
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#2737 - 11/07/02 02:56 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
aconte
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VaYank,

I could think of a couple people. I think BKAH on the other board is
getting anxious. He's been counting down the days too!

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#2738 - 11/07/02 03:01 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: aconte]
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It's here, but there is a small problem with the selection of sets available for registry. No regular issue Topps baseball set for any year in the 1960's made the list ... just the 1964 Topps Giant and Stand-up sets.

Hopefully, that will be corrected SOON ...


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#2739 - 11/07/02 03:31 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
vayank
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DE > I would email my wants to SGC ASAP. This is definitely unchartered territory so feedback will be paramount.
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#2740 - 11/07/02 03:49 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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they skipped over the set im working on to bummer went from 73 topps to 75
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#2741 - 11/07/02 03:57 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Hey Matthew --

My email went to the SGC Support group before my post went to the board. Funny thing is that I requested the '62 and '69 Topps sets way in advance of the roll-out and was assured that they would be there.

In scanning the available football sets, most/all 60's sets are available for registry. I'm betting that a few of the sets in question were just misclassified (as football sets rather than the intended baseball sets) ...




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#2742 - 11/07/02 04:04 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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They have lots of bugs to work out still i registered a set just to see what it looks like and there are some errors but im sure they will work them out its up thats a good sign anyway.
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#2743 - 11/07/02 04:08 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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I agree DE... for all the hype and wait...a pretty disappointing selection of sets.

No regular Topps set from the 60's -- are you kidding me..but they throw in '64 giants and stand-ups???...and '63 Fleer. I don't get it.

Then they start rolling through the 70's and skip '74...huh?


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#2744 - 11/07/02 05:03 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: srs1a]
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This is disapointing i think they should have waited and got more sets listed and all the bugs out before starting it up.
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#2745 - 11/07/02 05:19 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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Hey remo --

Besides the list of available sets, what other problems have you noticed?


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#2746 - 11/07/02 05:22 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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A desire for more sets to be listed is a positive sign. It's a great start and I hope SGC moves swiftly to add the suggested sets ASAP.
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#2747 - 11/07/02 05:35 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I'm sure more sets will come up over the next few weeks. It's definitely
a good thing to see the registry get off the ground. I'm sure it took
a lot of time to review the intial offering of sets.

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#2748 - 11/07/02 05:49 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I agree that it's a glaring omission to see no standard-issue 60s sets available yet. But looking at this from a business perspective for a minute. . .

* 1970s issues are SGCs largest potential market for new submissions/customers. The people most likely to be working on 70s issues are entering their mid-30s and getting to a point where they have the appropriate resources.
* The folks from CA have a tremendous head start in terms of the number of 60s (and 50s) submissions. I don't at all think SGC should concede this, but in terms of priorities and what the registry is designed to accomplish from a business perspective it makes a bit more sense. By focusing on pre-war and 70s issues, they address where they are strongest (pre-war) and the largest amount of potential (70s).

Now. . .I was thinking about the SGC registry and my recent purchases of 1979T SGC96s. I came to the conclusion that the only reason I've been able to pick them up so cheap is because I was the only one who wanted them. I think THAT is what SGC needs to change most. If we, the select few, are the only ones interested and participating in the SGC registry, then SGC's registry is going to die - and sooner rather than later. I think SGC absolutely MUST promote this thing like crazy and use it to drive new and additional submissions. The Sun-Times show in a couple weeks is the first major show after the registry coming online. If at the show I don't see a substantial marketing push - large banners, registry submission specials, lots of flyers, etc - then I'll be very concerned about SGC's commitment to the registry.

It will be a brave new world. . .

Mike

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#2749 - 11/07/02 06:31 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Well ... let's see ...

Included in the list of baseball sets available for registry are 4 sets from the late-1800's and 11 sets from the years spanning 1909-1919. I'm not sure who collects those years, but if they warrant representation in the "list o sets" ... surely at least ONE regular issue Topps set from the 1960's deserves to be on the list.

I have to believe it was an oversight ... SNAFU ... FUBAR ... normal occurrence for a new system roll-out ... whatever.

And I have confidence that it will be corrected.


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#2750 - 11/07/02 06:32 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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DE, on the right side where it says choose is not lined up right and it goes above where the listing of the cards starts into the header maybe its just on mine i also noticed that besides skipping 74 topps they have 78 padres family fun center set but they leave out a major set like 74 topps on well im sure it will get better we can all hope
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#2751 - 11/07/02 07:51 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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Hi remo --

I noticed that, during registration, the first time I typed in my password, all letters and digits were echoed back to the screen. A cardinal sin in software development circles. The second converted all entered characters to astericks.

Also, the confirmation screen that redisplayed all entered information (name, email addr, etc.) echoed all alpha characters and digits of the first password entry.

Other than that, I thought it was fairly smooth for a first day roll-out.


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#2752 - 11/07/02 08:23 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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I also didn't care for the fact that one must provide street address and phone number to participate. Personally, I'd rather have kept this private as I really don't like junk mail.

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#2753 - 11/07/02 09:27 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Well, I'm just pleased to have it right now. It's too bad that I can only enter one card at a time. I put a few cards to get started. I like the look, very clean, uncluttered, not drab. Set selections were a tough call, but the SGC folks must be relieved to have it up. Now, push forward and add more sets!
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#2754 - 11/07/02 09:31 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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I think they already added five sets unless I missed some. I thought
this morning they started with 126. Now they are at 131. That is a
good jump for one day.

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#2755 - 11/07/02 10:17 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Hi Matthew --

I just tried to check out your '77 set but got the following message:

No users have registered sets in this Set Definition at this time.

Are you sure your entries were saved?


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#2756 - 11/07/02 10:35 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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DE > I think I'm good. When I go and check my set, it is currently marked "Not Yet Published" pending 'administrator approval". So I am in the qeue, or is it queu?

I like the card weightings, but I would also like to see weighting accounting for condition sensitive cards once a valid sampling of a card has been graded.
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#2757 - 11/07/02 11:03 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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vayank, Is your column that says choose lined up wrong. Mine is and was just wondering if im the only one its the column for the grade thanks
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#2758 - 11/07/02 11:26 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: remo]
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I've had a little bug.... as I scroll up and down, one or twice the frames shifted/blurred, but corrected itself as I inputted the next step...
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#2759 - 11/07/02 01:50 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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I just got through registering and decided to place one Red Man tobacco card in a 1952 set (along with a photo) to see how easy it was to input the information.

I agree, the registration asked for more info than was necessary, but by going into "People Search" (Yahoo) you can get the same info. No big deal.

And I also agree with the other posts, that it is too bad that there aren't more sets included initially than there should be. But, those are my only negative feedbacks.

I very much liked the homepage format and that the graphics are large enough where you don't have to squint to read things.

I was pleased there was an opportunity to input optional comments about my set as well as a place to express my desire to ugrade cards, either through direct purchase or trade. I hope the registry encourages trading, becasue that was a lot of fun when I was a kid!

As far as inputting the card and the photo, I had no problems at all and everything was very straight forward. The best part of the registry, in my opinion, is how nice and large the photos turn out when you upload them into the registry. If you click on the camera under the specific card where a picture exists, you get a 6.75" (wide) by 10.5" (long) picture of the card. This is a very nice way for other people to enjoy some really quality cards and may be the only chance we get to see the "best of the best". I would encourage more people to upload pictures of their cards.

This card was a "test" of the SGC Registry, and all I can say is CONGRATULATIONS - JOB WELL DONE!! The wait was definitely worth it.

They say it takes 72 hours to get our input approved, so I look forward to seeing how this process works over the next couple of days. All in all, I am very pleased and will soon have my entire 1952 Red Man set registered.

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#2760 - 11/07/02 11:19 PM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02
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Congratulations to the owners of the first two sets to be registered. Both are impressive complete sets, and both are football.

Big thumbs up ... !!


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#2761 - 11/08/02 06:53 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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DE > I noticed the registry has 1962 Topps now....
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#2762 - 11/08/02 07:38 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: vayank]
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Swee-e-e-e-e-t!!!

Now I know how I'll be spending my weekend.


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#2763 - 11/08/02 09:01 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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Up to 134 sets now!

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#2764 - 11/08/02 09:19 AM Re: SGC Set Registry Coming 10/1/02 [Re: deadlyembrace]
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Sorry, but I'm a little underwhelmed. The '61 and '62 topps sets are up, but with no weighting. Basically, they're nothing more than glorified html checklists. The weighting should have been done months ago on such commonly-collected sets. I could provide a weighting scheme for all of the '60's sets-one that wouldn't be far off of what SGC ultimately posts- if I devoted 15-20 or so hours. I really fail to see why this wasn't done for the "grand opening".
Also, the '51Connie Mack set has one registed set- complete- with no 1's, all 2s and higher, which seems conceptually impossible, and, as someone mentioned, a '71 Eddie Kasko (Mickey Lolich too) have zeros assigned to them.
Finally, I have not yet attempted to register my '61 set, and will not do so if it takes as long as others have stated.
I'll keep the faith, and hope the registry improves by leaps and bounds over the next week or two, but so far I'm not prepared to throw a party.
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