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#301600 - 01/03/04 08:30 AM Reply from the Seller [Re: njdolphins]
deadlyembrace
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Below is the complete response (with the exception of his cellphone number) from James Feng, the card's seller. He seems like a good guy ...

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hello,Mark Schwenke
i am the seller of the 1987 fleer bonds sgc 98 ebay auction.
i got home tonight and check on my auction.
i find out that ebay end one of my bonds auction early because of the ebay
VeRO) Program .
then i read you email, find out more about the bonds card are bogus card.
i went to SGC's Message Boards.
i am glad that's my auction had beened removed.
i do not want to sell bogus card.
i am the victim of this thing, i brought this card from ebay about 2 years
ago
i put that on the side when i receive the card.
i used to verifie the serial # on all my psa and bgs cards.
but sgc card i don't know how to verifie the serial #.
i can't believe people sold me a bogus card.
i find that card out and take a closer look at it.
i find out that the card holder has beened opened and glue it back together.
i don't know what's to do with this card. i am so sorry that i lsit stuff
like this
i'm in ebay about 3 years now i brought lots of stuffs and i sold lots of
stuffs on ebay
people had scam me before. i know how that''s feel.
i am a honest ebayer,on all my ebay auction that i list i always list the
serial # on it.
to let people know that's the cards are real.
thanks for letting me know
please call me if you have any question
james

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Way to go James ...

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#301601 - 01/03/04 06:07 PM Re: This auction has more ???'s [Re: njdolphins]
Sean_C
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I don't think he was saying that the seller was Solomon, but rather the other 2 ID's from this and the PSA boards were him.

Quote:



Matt

MW: How are you sure this is really Sol Cramer? This fellow claiming to be Feng gave me a phone number should I care to contact him. A bold bluff?

Ron


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#301602 - 01/03/04 07:46 PM Solomon Cramer. *DELETED* [Re: Sean_C]
MW1
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Post deleted by dena

Edited by SGCmod (01/04/04 06:22 AM)

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#301603 - 01/13/04 05:58 AM Re: Bogus Bonds Card, cont'd [Re: MW1]
srs1a
Old, dense-headed hammers are cool. Best nail pounders.


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All,

Shortly after the auction was closed down, I contacted the seller (James Feng) about purchasing the card for the bid price when it closed. I felt that it would be worth the cost to be able to examine the card and see exactly what had happened.

James responded that he felt that the card was worthless and would send it to me free of charge. I received the card last night and I will be sending a package back to him with as soon as I get it put together. My take on this is that James is a straight up and honest guy that got taken on eBAY. I would encourage all of you to view his auctions and see if there is anything that is of interest to you -- again, I would expect that he took a pretty good loss on this card.

I will be posting detailed scans of the card within the next day or two. My take after examining the card last night is that it is a pretty poor attempt. The flip suffers from a great numbers of problems -vs- the real one. The holder is clearly frosted all around the perimeter where it was cracked and re-glued (It looks like the glue did the "frosting", but will examine it further when I have my glasses handy ).

After I finish up the scans, etc...I plan on cracking out the card and submitting it to SGC (if unaltered, the card is actually pretty sweet....but I know nothing about '87 Fleers). Given the amount of glue that appears to have been used, the card removal may not be exactly straight-forward and I may need to get out my trusty chop saw! Assuming it comes back in a legit SGC holder, I will either return the card to James or buy it from him (his choice).

More to come....

Scott




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#301604 - 01/13/04 12:09 PM Re: Bogus Bonds Card, cont'd [Re: srs1a]
aconte
Bid more or post more... tough one...


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Scott,

Thanks for the follow-up. I'm looking forward to seeing the scans of the holder
and label. Good work!

aconte
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#301605 - 01/14/04 06:30 AM Re: Bogus Bonds Card [Re: aconte]
srs1a
Old, dense-headed hammers are cool. Best nail pounders.


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The bogus card has a counterfeit label and I've scanned a good one with the same vintage label. The scans follow. It is a relatively large file (about 1MB), so it may take a while to load but I wanted to make sure that everyone could get a good look at it.





The differences in labels are pretty obvious with more than a few problems -vs- the real one. Looks like a ink jet printer was used on regular paper...and the "bar code" appears to be simply the vertical bar on your key board with normal and bold font. Again, the issues are obvious.

Also, note the frosting of the slab seal region...and also note the glue that oozed out of the right side of the slab.

The goo and ooze were extremely obvious when the side of the slabbed was viewed -- here's a scan of the sides of the 2 slabs. The left side of the Bonds card is shown here -- that's the "good" one.



So, my conclusions are:

(1) counterfeit label (and a poor one)
(2) amateur crack and glue job resulting in obvious issues on the holder




Scott





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#301606 - 01/14/04 07:19 AM Re: Bogus Bonds Card [Re: srs1a]
deadlyembrace
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Scott --

Outstanding work!!

And your scans give me move comfort in the "tamper resistence" quality of SGC's slabs. Has anyone ever seen an instance of an SGC slab being opened/resealed without the fracturing evident in Scott's scans?




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