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#301580 - 01/01/04 08:10 PM BOGUS SGC CARD??
njdolphins
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Dear All

I need opinions on this one. If this is a bogus card as I presume it to be, we need to get the auction shut down immediately.

Look at the Serial number! Never seen anything like that before.

Thoughts? comments??


1987 Fleer Barry Bonds SGC 98 - True Or FALSE?

Thanks!

Ron
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#301581 - 01/01/04 08:18 PM Re: BOGUS SGC CARD?? [Re: njdolphins]
njdolphins
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Also

The font looks all wrong to me as well and I've got SGC cards in what I thought to be all kinds of labels. Looking for a more veteran opinion than mine.

R
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#301582 - 01/01/04 08:44 PM Re: BOGUS SGC CARD?? [Re: njdolphins]
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A call to SGC to validate the serial number could clear this up quickly.
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#301583 - 01/01/04 08:55 PM Re: BOGUS SGC CARD?? [Re: deadlyembrace]
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The scan was too poor for me to get a good enough look. It could just be an idiot seller. I would count on the serial # being incorrectly typed in the description. I would email the seller and ask for the serial number and a better scan.
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#301584 - 01/01/04 09:20 PM Re: BOGUS SGC CARD?? [Re: njdolphins]
deadlyembrace
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The serial number is: 23467948-076
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#301585 - 01/02/04 05:34 AM My New Years wish for SGC [Re: deadlyembrace]
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Please get a certification number look up operational!!! It would certainly help in cases like this. All of SGC competitors offer this (PSA. GAI. BVG/BGS)....its time for SGC to offer it, as well (IMHO).

Back to the thread...

I agree with Ron, the font looks a bit odd and I have never seen a certification number start with a "2" -- these days, they start with a "1" (hardcopy invoice) or and "8" (on-line invoice). I don't have much experience with this vintage flip, but all of mine looks significantly different that this (font, barcode)

Anyone have experience with on-site grading? Could this type of flip and wierd invoice number be associated with that?



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#301586 - 01/02/04 07:42 AM Re: My New Years wish for SGC [Re: srs1a]
njdolphins
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Dear All

Spoke with SGC and this is a bogus card. What I didn't see initially was the fact the serial# is 8 digits and ALL serials are 7 in SGC land. Also a number 2 at the start is an illogical even if it were 7 digits.

SGC will see what they can do to shut down the auction.

Ron
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#301587 - 01/02/04 08:34 AM This auction has more ???'s [Re: njdolphins]
aconte
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Why would a guy with great feedback sell a bogus graded card?

Is the flip wrong?

I got more questions than answers from all the posts.

aconte
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#301588 - 01/02/04 10:11 AM Re: This auction has more ???'s [Re: aconte]
deadlyembrace
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I decided to email the seller directly on this ... the content of my email appears below:

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Hi James --

As an SGC-only collector, I wanted to send you a friendly email regarding this card.

There has been much discussion about this '87 Fleer #604 Barry Bonds (SGC 98 - serial number 23467948-076) card on the SGC message boards. To view the entire discussion:

1. go to www.sgccard.com,
2. click "Visit SGC's Message Boards"
3. scroll to the bottom of the message board Main Index page until you see an entire section of message threads for SGC
4. click "Modern Cards"
5. click "BOGUS SGC CARD??" to view all posts in the thread.

The card has been exposed as fraudulent via a call to SGC for serial number validation.

Given that your feedback rating is so high and clean, I assume you are unaware of the fact that you are auctioning a fake. The right thing to do would be to pull the auction.

Again, this is just a friendly FYI ...

Mark Schwenke
Ebay ID: deadlyembrace

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#301589 - 01/02/04 10:38 AM Re: This auction has more ???'s [Re: deadlyembrace]
srs1a
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I agree with Tony -- more questions than answers here. I looked at all of the sellers auctions this morning and he has several other high-grade SGC cards that look just fine. I expect that the seller was a victim in a previous transaction.

However, I would think that Sean or someone else at SGC might wish to clear this up. Is this the first that anyone in Parsippany has seen of these wierd flips? If not, how many have come to light?...and in what timeframe?

Scott

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