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#338479 - 02/11/04 07:25 PM Yet another question for forum members...
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What do forum members feel the most underrated card is? That is, a card that is either likely to substantially increase in value in the future or a card that quite simply, is underappreciated.
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#338480 - 02/11/04 07:34 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: MW1]
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From a biased hockey collector's point of view, I'll mention a hockey card: I believe a high end Georges Vezina C55 card is the most undervalued card.

Granted compared to football or basketball, hockey is not as popular, but hockey card collecting is gaining in popularity both here in the US and in Canada (especially Canada).

A Chicle Nagurski card in Mint condition is advertised around 70K, The Mikan compares at 32K, while a Vezina (a card produced 20-38 years earlier than the other two) can be had for 20K. 20K is cheap, considering you would be picking up the "granddaddy of them all" in hockey cards. Heck, I can get a loan for 20K in about 2-3 days if I wanted to, get the Vezina card, and end up in Doghouse for the next 10 years--my wife doesn't forget easily.

Edited to add: MW hang on to your Vezina card.


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#338481 - 02/11/04 07:42 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: grilloj39]
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i will say that any of the montreal or toronto 1 -5 from the 57 parkhurst and the 55 parkhurst lumley! the lumley is non existence ( i owned a sgc 70 on it and sorry i sold it) i have never owned any of the 57's but would have givin a left arm for the pulford rookie!
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#338482 - 02/11/04 07:45 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: grilloj39]
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Grillo,

I'm inclined to agree with you and I would add that there are a whole host of pre-war hockey issues that are many times scarcer than their baseball, basketball or football counterparts. One of the scarcest mainstream issues that comes to mind is the C57 series -- nearly impossible to find in Near Mint or better condition. C56s are also quite challenging in top grade. To the best of my knowledge there are only a handful of C56s that have been graded higher than Near Mint by all the major grading companies with the top example being a PSA 9 common that I submitted about 5 years ago (card is probably NM/MT by today's standards).

I also predict that non-sport issues will gain in popularity over the next year or two. Already, sets like 1962 Mars Attacks have seem some pretty impressive auction prices over the last six months. Various nonsport sets from the 1930s also continue to climb in value.

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#338483 - 02/11/04 07:57 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: MW1]
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Underrated: 1941 Goudey Baseball.

However, I don't think it will likely increase in value, as the set is generally so tough in any condition, that the set will never realize a critical mass to bring prices in parity with rarity.
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#338484 - 02/11/04 08:14 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: jackstraw]
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Here's the card that Bouffard is talking about:

1957 Parkhurst #T4 Bob Pulford Rookie Card




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#338485 - 02/11/04 08:21 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: buttermarc]
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Marc,

I think you're absolutely right about the 1941 Goudeys. Due to extreme size variation, a clay-based cardstock and an N172-like cut, they're pretty tough to find in top grade -- especially cards with red or blue backgrounds that readily show edge and corner wear.

I recall that for quite some time, most major price guides had commons listed for between $50 and $100 each. Then, the last Standard Catalog moved them up to $250 each...quite a jump from one year to the next.

I was actually quite fortunate about a decade ago when I met a long-time collector from the Chicago area who had a stack of about 100 various 1941 Goudeys. At the time, I submitted the best examples to PSA and came away with about 11 or 12 PSA 8s. To this day, I think that's still about 75-80% of the high-grade population. A very tough issue!

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#338486 - 02/11/04 08:35 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: MW1]
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thanks m-dub one of my favorites! is that yours?
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#338487 - 02/11/04 08:41 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: jackstraw]
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Bouffard,

Yes. Best one I could find on short notice. Nice corners but probably only an 86 due to centering. I seem to recall that I sold a razor-sharp well-centered example to a Canadian customer a few years ago....haven't seen many nice ones since.

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#338488 - 02/11/04 08:53 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: MW1]
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mw,
not sure i have ever seen a nice one? that centering is pretty typical for that card so you might get an 88, i do think that sgc has a better grasp on the parkhurst cards of the 50's. whats that book for nowadays?
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#338489 - 02/11/04 08:55 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: jackstraw]
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I think it's about $75-$100 in NM condition although I could be wrong.
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#338490 - 02/11/04 09:03 PM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: MW1]
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i would have thought higher. that seems like a steal for a hof ers rookie which is not proven but seems to be in less supply than the non 1 to 5 cards?
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#338491 - 02/12/04 12:42 AM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: jackstraw]
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Several issues come to mind but the one that is most obvious to me are some of the cards from the 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson series. I have been putting this set together for the past 6 years and am still short 4 of the cards. These cards used to list for $750 each in NM and many would sell for that much in EX+ to EXMT. The Standard Catalog now lists them for $400 in NM when some of these cards cannot be had for twice that.

I think that there is tremendous value in the issue despite it being a black and white issue.

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#338492 - 02/12/04 09:11 AM Re: Yet another question for forum members... [Re: botn]
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MW...i agree wholeheartedly on the C57s. One of the reasons I decided to pursue the c56 and c55 set collections, was the scarcity of the c57s. I rarely see them in shows or in shops/ebay, however, living in Texas I hardly ever see any hockey at all. I usually visit my Mom and Brother in Connecticut once a year and at that time, I scour all the shows and shops for whatever vintage hockey I can get my hands on.

Other than that, I mostly to rely on E-bay and the Internet. But I prefer to buy any high-dollar item face-to-face with the seller.

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John
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