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#34823 - 12/06/02 12:54 PM Most Attractive Vintage Set
stanthemanfan
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I'm curious to find out what attracts people to collect specific vintage sets - for this discussion - let's consider 1969 and older.

Is it the: stadium backdrops, classic player poses, color and design of the card, set scarcity?

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#34824 - 12/06/02 02:25 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: stanthemanfan]
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Hi STMF --

I suspect that you'll find as many reasons as there are people with opinions. And not all of those reasons will be "rational" ... i.e., collectibility, retained value, scarcity, etc.

I'm as "vintage" as the sets you're referring to. So, in my case, these are the cards I grew up collecting, trading and mutilating in the spokes of bicycles. I've been hung up on the 1962 Topps set for as long as I can remember. My first major purchase of SGC-graded cards was of 1962s.

I began collecting 1969 Topps almost by mistake. Before focussing my collecting goals, I'd been collecting anything that was 1969 baseball or earlier and SGC graded as mint or better. I'd acquired quite a lot of the '60, '61, '68 Topps cards (in addition to my coveted '62 Topps cards) as well as a few REALLY choice cards from the '50s. Somewhere along the way, I acquired the '69 Topps Brooks Robinson. Then a few more '69s rolled in including a gem mint Aparicio. When I landed the Reggie Jackson rookie, I was hooked.

The two sets are radically different in design ... which appeals to me. No use in being redundant. Also, the photography is "darker" in the 1962 Topps set. All of the 1969 Topps cards are much "brighter" ... almost as though the sun was shining in 1969 but not in 1962.

Both sets contain the "big four" names of the era: Mantle, Mays, Aaron and Clemente. The 1969 Topps set offers the opportunity to collect stars who were not playing in 1962: Pete Rose, Jim Palmer, Willie Stargell, Rod Carew, Reggie Jackson, etc. ... while the 1962 set contained stars from the late '40's and '50's who were in the twilight of their careers: Stan Musial, Duke Snider, etc.

In terms of availability, I'm finding the acquisition of 1962 Topps in mint or gem mint grades to be exponentially tougher than the 1969 set. That wasn't always the case, but it seems to have evolved in that direction.

Finally, these cards are not cheap. But I believe that, over the long haul, these are the cards that will not only hold their value ... they will appreciate.

My apologies for the rambling response. It's a tough question to answer in only a few words.




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#34825 - 12/09/02 12:46 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: stanthemanfan]
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I'm deep into 2 sets -- 1968 and 1963.

1968 was when I got into collecting in a big way as a kid. On one joyous day I pulled Mickey Mantle and was in heaven. Mr. Mantle accompanied me to school every day in my shirt pocket (he looks like it, too). We flipped cards every day at recess and mutilated them just as deadlyembrace descripes. About 4 or 5 years ago, I decided to build a high quality 1968 set and got into graded cards and eBAY. I've finished this set and have the SGC part registered. Look for more to come -- I hope to get 50% of the set in SGC holders with an average grade of >88.

Flipping cards introduced me the the 1963 set -- one day, I ended up with some and thought that they were really cool (probably a quote). I loved the bright colored borders. Well, about a week later, I lost all of them flipping and I was crushed. So, after I finished up the '68 set, I started on 63's -- this is a much tougher set and while I still do love the colored borders, they show absolutely every touch. I'm close to completion with this set -- still need about 40 cards, about 20 of them in the tough semi-high and high numbers. I have most of the key cards slabbed as 7's and 8's, the rest as NMT raw. I probably won't pursue it much further than simple completion of the set -- a complete 1963 in nearmint condition will be good enough for me.

I guess I collect these sets because of the memories that they still stimulate.

I also collect player sets (Aaron, Banks, Clemente and Mays) because I loved these guys. I love looking though these cards, but there is something about a 1968 Gary Kolb, Barry Moore, Ray Sadecki, etc that still brings a big smile to my face.

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#34826 - 12/11/02 02:13 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: stanthemanfan]
srs1a
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Boy, limit the discussion to pre-70's and the thread goes dead in a hurry!

How about extending it into the 70's? I'm curious why the '77 set has drawn so many collectors.

I am also curious to hear from our redman collectors out there -- no doubt that these are beautiful cards, but what got you guys started?

Scott

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#34827 - 12/11/02 02:39 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: srs1a]
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Scott,

I think the 77 set is nice but I can't figure out why it has gotten so much
more attention than say the 75 set. I hope vayank doesn't fall off his chair!

I grew up collecting the 75 and 76 set. My brother was the 77 man.
I do like the 77 Bowa though. Cool mustache!

Anyhow, I like sets with color. You know my favorite. But I also like
but don't collect the 34 diamond stars, the 33 goudey, 51+ 55 bowman
football, and the 75 topps baseball. Oh... how can I forget the 35 football
Chicle. Very nice.

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#34828 - 12/11/02 04:36 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: aconte]
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Thanks aconte-- I too am baffled about the fuss over the '77 set. I'm sure the year has meaning to the collectors, e.g. birth year, first year collecting etc., and that that has alot to do with it. Personally, though, I think the '77s and '78s are by far the ugliest sets of the decade. That's my opinion, which probably is in the minority, since I think the '76s and '74s are the best designed (I especially like how the little player on the front of the '76s is shown pitching right or left handed depending on the corresponding player), and they are probably the least collected.

As for the 60s, I'm a huge fan of the 1961 set, although it has its share of dogs (ever seen the Mays?- looks like he's ready to hurl, and I don't mean pitch). I believe all of the 60s sets are attractive, but find the '69s too unimaginative in design-- too many rehashed photos, plus, change that white border to burlap and you're looking at the '68s all over.

My vote for most attractive vintage sets:

Baseball: 1954 Wilson Weiners; 1933 Delong; 1953 Bowman Color; 1952 Mother's Cookies; T202 Hassan Triple Folders and 1915 Cracker Jack.

Football: 1955 Topps All-america; 1957 Topps; 1963 Topps; and 1966 Philly Gum (of course, that national chicle set is awesome too)

Basketball: 1969 Topps; 1986 Fleer (vintage?)

Hockey: 1954 Topps and 1911-12 Imperial Tobacco; also 1964-65 Topps and 1972-73 OPC.


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#34829 - 12/11/02 04:49 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: nolemmings]
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What surpirsed me about the '77 set is that they were collectors well ahead of me and the curve with that set. And I have been banging the drum and will continue to do so. To each his own. Beauty is truly in the eye of holder here (no pun intended). I love the simple elegant border design combined the wild disco colors and styles of the era.

I wanted to collect something that spoke to me. The '60's and earlier simply mean don't excite me and my imagination and do nothing for me collecting-wise. That's just me, not a social commmentary. I want to collect players I remember, not the players my dad remembers. That left me with a '74-'78 window as my first golden age of collecting. '74 not my taste, '75 already had too action, I like '76's alot, '78 placed third. Boom, all this, plus a good cross section of rookies I liked and you get '77...

Is '77 vintage? It's vintage to me, though we are free to reach our own conclusion. What some people call vinatge, I think antique is a better adjective, but antique connotes nothing in the maketplace.


Edited by vayank (12/11/02 04:53 AM)
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#34830 - 12/11/02 10:25 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: vayank]
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VaYank,

I agree with you. You definitely must collect sets that interest you. Otherwise,
eventually you'll lose interest and you will never complete it. I'm just surprised
there isn't more of a stir for some of the other 70's sets.

Also, after thinking about it... the cool Bowa card is from 76 too. Like I said
the big thing I remember with the 77 set is that my brother really liked it.
He still has a set but he does not really collect any more. The fire does
not burn for him!

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#34831 - 12/12/02 04:50 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: nolemmings]
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I started the thread without listing out my favorites. So here goes:

1. 1950 - 54 Bowman Baseball. These sets were made with great imagination. 1950 set backgrounds are fantastic - the cement block wall in Casey Stengel's mug shot card, the looming pine trees on a few of the Pittsburgh Pirates players cards, the janitor's office, the wooden fence, brickwall, the stadium backdrops with the pretty woman, guys in suits, photographers,etc., the Superman-like head shots with the perfect blue-sky backdrop - the list goes on and on. The only one's missing are the UFO, bathroom toilet stall, and stadium parking lot. Great stuff!

The colors became more bright and the portraits more intricate on the 1952 Bowman Set. In my mind - miniature works of art! '51 and '54 are just great to look at. These are the cards that get the most frequent viewing in my collection.

2. 1961 Topps - simple border design with some real nice staged action poses. I like the stadium backdrops. I agree, Willie Mays does look like he has food-poisoning.

3. 1965 & 1966. I think 2 real pretty sets.

4. 1973 - I don't remember this set being talked about on the message board - but it has a nice layout, decent in-action shots - all in all a pretty nice set to look at.


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#34832 - 12/13/02 03:50 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: stanthemanfan]
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I am partial to the card design.

Working on a 1971 topps baseball set. Looking to buy 1971 baseball graded SGC 88 or better. Contact me at jftouchdown@yahoo.com


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#34833 - 12/16/02 03:23 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: srs1a]
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Growing up in the late 1950's, one of my favorite vintage sets was the 1958 Topps. As an 8 year old, I searched high and low for pop bottles that had been discarded so I could return them for the $0.03 deposit. A few found bottles meant I could buy more baseball cards and spend an afternoon flipping cards. So the 1958 Topps set has always been a sentimental favorite of mine. Once a kid, always a kid!!

Then in 1981, I stumbled upon some Red Man tobacco cards. An ad in the classified section of the paper advertised "1950s baseball cards" amongst the many items up for auction. I hadn't seen the Red Man cards before, but still decided to purchase them to see what they were all about.

The initial draw to continuing the collection was the scarcity of the cards with tabs intact, and the difficulty in completing an entire set in near mint condition. Now the draw is trying to complete sets in SGC 84 or better. Not an easy chore!! I believe the beauty of the Red Man cards has been greatly enhanced by the SGC holder. The black card holder provides a great contrast to the colorful cards.

Once I purchased my first Red Man premium cap, I also became compelled to try to complete the entire set of caps. I have been very fortunate to have purchased 22 different caps so far, but still need the St. Lousis Browns cap to complete the set. I have also been drawn in the pursuit of the Red Man tobacco packages, with the tobacco still inside and the Red Man card intact on the outside of the package.

So the draw of the Red Man cards to me is their beauty and scarcity, as well as the premium caps/tobacco packages that become part of the collection.

mrredman

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#34834 - 12/16/02 04:51 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set
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When in grade school one year my best friend and I began collecting 1967 Topps Football cards a pack at a time. We raced to see who could finish his collection first. I won, but we both finished our sets. A couple of years later my friend moved, but he before he left he gave me all his cards. Unfortunately I knew nothing at the time about protecting the cards, so most of the cards I originally owned are not in gradeable condition. It's only been in the last couple of years that my interest in the set has let me to try to gather the best SGC-graded 1967 Topps Football set I can. I've registered my SGC set. I also have a batch of cards submitted to SGC that will complete a full SGC-graded set. Then my goal will switch to improving all the grades to 84 or better. I've also managed to collect 24 of the 31 Comic Pennants that used to be included with each pack of 1967 Topps FB. It's been a blast. Soon I may be looking for another set(s) to pursue.
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#34835 - 12/17/02 02:45 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set
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Not sure who you are but nice 1967 Topps Football Set. The photos are nice
to look at too.

I love reading some of these great stories.

aconte



Edited by aconte (12/17/02 02:46 PM)
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#34836 - 01/01/03 05:53 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: aconte]
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I personally love the 71 set. Most of the cards have that deep blue sky in the background that just pops out against all that black. I also love the horizontal action shots as well.The 71 Munson is a work of art and is one of ,if not the coolest card of the 70's in my opinion.The plethora of stars and the challenge of finding raw gradeable examples is also a big draw to me, but the design and all of the color that pops out against that glossy black truly make these cards "black beauties". With the exception of the 79 set, topps' designers did a outstanding job on the 70's sets.Good luck on all of your sets in the New Year. Drew
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#34837 - 01/09/03 04:35 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set
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I like the vintage Bowman, Goudey and Sport Kings issues. The water color designs are like small pieces of art work. The T206 and Cracker Jack sets receive a honorable mention.
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#34838 - 01/10/03 03:56 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: stanthemanfan]
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T204 Ramly: Truly works of art when encountered in high grade.
T3 : Cabinet sized masterpieces with mostly the same artwork found on the T206 cards.
Probably the two most beautifully crafted sets in existance.
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#34839 - 01/13/03 04:17 PM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: hammer]
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ive always liked the 1965 topps football set becouse of the tall size and the bright colors.
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#34840 - 01/14/03 04:42 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: SUPERPUNK_813]
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..and a set that's near impossible to assemble in strict ex/mt or better (65T Football), owing to the large, irregular shape of the cards. They just didn't fit, lend themselves well to longtime shoebox storage. The only way you'll ever see these in NM or better is if they're fresh from vending boxes or unopened packs, a very difficult find. Centering is a big issue with these as well.
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#34841 - 01/17/03 02:31 AM Re: Most Attractive Vintage Set [Re: stanthemanfan]
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i cant believe nobody has mentioned the CLASSIC 1954,1955,1956,1957, and 1958 sets...im currently buying big names in these sets..but in the future SOME DAY ill work on getting commons
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