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#367330 - 03/11/04 10:07 AM Who are your 3 favorite grading companys?
Rip
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Who are your favorite top 3?

Edited by Rip (03/11/04 10:07 AM)
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#367331 - 03/11/04 10:23 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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It would probably have to be SGC, SGC, and SGC in that order
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#367332 - 03/11/04 11:32 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: njdolphins]
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......suck up But seriously folks....is it because PSA screws up more? Missed trimming, poor grading policys etc.

Edited by Rip (03/11/04 11:41 AM)
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#367333 - 03/11/04 04:17 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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I'd second njdolphins comments........never, ever cared for PSA, their grading or the way they do business. I thought BGS and/or BVG was ok until I got stuck with a slabbed trim job that they missed. Don't know enough about GAI to say that I like them so...........SGC, SGC and SGC for me.
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#367334 - 03/11/04 04:35 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Vintagedeputy]
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my favorite holders are
sbc,scd,sgc in that order.
don't have any allaince to any one company but if i was trying to make money doing this my 70's sportscards would be going west!
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#367335 - 03/11/04 04:50 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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#367336 - 03/11/04 04:56 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: MW1]
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wow gai 2nd? maybe i should send you a sneak preview of a gai 9.5 .
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#367337 - 03/11/04 05:00 PM ... [Re: jackstraw]
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#367338 - 03/11/04 06:03 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: MW1]
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Thanks. BTW Do you guys have problems with cleaning and pressing like us comic guys do?

(Excellent post btw in the comic section)
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#367339 - 03/11/04 07:31 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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My favorites are as follows:

1. SGC
2. SCD/PSA
3. GAI (in my opinion GAI 8s often have to much corner wear)
4. Beckett (grade to many cards that other companies will not grade due to evidence of trimming).

I follow the strategy often mentioned on this board of buying the card and not the holder and I crossover cards into SGC holders. I will buy SGC as well as SCD, PSA and GAI cards if their condition is what I am looking for (i.e., has good chance of crossing over to SGC 88 or better). I am very hesitant about buying Beckett cards (see comment above).


Edited by wrigleyfield (03/11/04 07:38 PM)
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#367340 - 03/11/04 07:44 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: wrigleyfield]
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#367341 - 03/11/04 07:53 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: MW1]
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1) SGC

2) SGC

3) PGS
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#367342 - 03/11/04 08:00 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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BTW Do you guys have problems with cleaning and pressing like us comic guys do?

Rip,

My understanding is that cleaning and pressing, when done properly is undetectable by CGC graders. With a possible isolated example here and there, I cannot say that something of that magnitude (at least in terms of adding value) would consistently slip by SGC. The only true comparison I could make is perhaps when stains are removed from some sports cards. In every case where I've seen this done, however, I can discern a difference -- either in the color or texture of the card stock.

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#367343 - 03/11/04 08:39 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: MW1]
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Rip,
My understanding is that cleaning and pressing, when done properly is undetectable by CGC graders. With a possible isolated example here and there, I cannot say that something of that magnitude (at least in terms of adding value) would consistently slip by SGC. The only true comparison I could make is perhaps when stains are removed from some sports cards. In every case where I've seen this done, however, I can discern a difference -- either in the color or texture of the card stock.
My feeling is that paper restoration techniques that have been developed over the past 100 years or so, are better suited to restoring comics than baseball cards. To that extent, it seems that restoration (and how to categorize it) is a more significant problem in the comic industry than in the sports card and memorabilia industry. Although I will say that there is a small group of dealers/individuals who seem to account for the majority of the "work" that is done (Is the same true for comics? I bet it is). I'd post their names again but the last time I did, I was suspended from these forums.



No question its difficult and intent questionable. Pressing, if the book is disassembled is detectible most of the time when graded by a knowledgable grader.(At least that's the rumored claim. In my years of working for a large dealer/grading books I would also agree to that rumor.) CGC will also PLOD the book. If the book is not disassembled it is very difficult to make that judgement call if and when it is detectible. In most cases the intent can also be questioned. Was the book pressed on purpose or was it a result of storage. I would guess a similar debate occurs here?

As for cleaning, dry cleaning is ok by CGC, wet chemical cleaning is not. Chemical cleaning is much much easier to detect, I don't know about cards. Dry cleaning if DONE PROPERLY, is many times almost impossible to detect. But many times these dry cleaning actions aren't really hidden because of CGC's acceptibilty.
I would guess trimming is the biggest problem with cards, cleaning and color touch distant second and third.
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#367344 - 03/11/04 08:55 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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I would guess trimming is the biggest problem with cards, cleaning and color touch distant second and third.



I would generally agree. In particular, years that are commonly oversized are targeted. Good examples would be T206s, 1933 Goudeys, 1939 & 1941 Play Balls, 1955 Bowmans, 1965 Topps, cards that were typically issued in sheets (i.e., 1970s Topps baseball and 1980s O-Pee-Chee Hockey), and many modern cards such as SPX and SP Authentic.

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#367345 - 03/12/04 06:13 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: MW1]
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1. PRO
2. GEM
3. Fred's Grade-O-Rama

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#367346 - 03/12/04 08:42 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: downgoesfrazier]
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1) SGC
2) BGS/BVG (best holders and sub-grades)
3) SCD (nicest labels and sub-grades...stopped business)
4) PSA (no half grades or they'd be higher for me)
5) GAI (smart to put info on lip of label)
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#367347 - 03/12/04 11:18 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: estang]
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1) GAI...no surprise here for everyone who knows me. When you combine price, holder security, customer service, and grading experience, they are tops IMO.
2) SGC...they will be getting some of my business as well. Solid grading, good customer service, solid reputation on the pre-war cards.
3) PSA/PGS...PSA for convenience...PGS for prices on vintage commons.
4) BVG...they are no longer the "tough" graders that they used to be.

The look of a holder has absolutely no bearing on my decision...I know this sounds sick but I actually like the simplicity of the PSA holder from an eye appeal standpoint...I just wish it was more secure...I also wish a "continuous improvement" philosophy would exist there. They do not seem proactive in making their product better.

I could care less about looks...but I am concerned with the security of the holder.
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#367348 - 03/12/04 11:33 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: grilloj39]
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So do many of you think PSA holders are much less secure than SGC and GAI?

Edited by Rip (03/12/04 11:34 AM)
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#367349 - 03/12/04 11:45 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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RIP...the short answer is yes...I used to be big on the crossover thing. I have busted many a PSA card out of its slab without damage to the holder. I am sure this happens a lot with others as well and someone with bad intentions could simply learn how to reseal the slab.
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#367350 - 03/15/04 06:20 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: grilloj39]
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1.PSA
2.SGC / Gai
3. ...

psa... simply because they have the most cards graded and seem to have the largest support from people who sell the cards I want... I have no problem with psa... I think they are fantastic...

I also really like SGC and GAI.
SGC - never had a major problem with SGC either. I like their holders best. Their management is fair, low key and consistient.

I also like GAI a lot. They seemed to gain legitimacy quickly... and all of the GAI cards I have purchused seem to be right on the money... They do need to improve their holders... nice look but sloppy gaskets... I have had a card slip under the gasket...

I guess it doesn't surprise me that their are a lot of PSA haters on these boards...
I accept this as a "new member."
PSA is rather large and seemingly careless at times with certain individuals...
...and I wouldn't discount your negative experiences as anything less than they are.

but I can't understand the BGS/BVG support at all. I'd rather have my cards graded by EDWARD SCISSOR HANDS than send another card to them...
The whole bvg/bccg thing was quite horrific... and I lost a ton of money with the diluted pop reports.
When I tried to crossover my beckett graded cards a couple years ago...
both psa and sgc had a field day slapping them with "evidence of trimming!"
anyways...
I respect the sgc enthusiast equally as the psa enthusiast... I just can't understand the love for beckett...
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#367351 - 03/17/04 07:43 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: knickstars]
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1. SGC
2. PSA
3. BGS

1. SGC - accurate grading, great holder...good grading specials (like the current 1970 to present $5.00 deal).

2. PSA - I've seen more hits than misses...

3. BGS - Until BVG and BCCG were born, I was a BGS fan.

My list is a bit unfair because I have not tried GAI, nor have I even seen a GAI graded card in person yet. Once I do, they may very well make my top three!?

Also, it's good to be back on the boards. I have been having trouble with my account recently, but I've been reading often and it has been great to see the number of topics and posts increasing!!


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#367352 - 04/02/04 04:56 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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me, me and me

i then choose a holder
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#367353 - 04/02/04 05:54 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: beefman]
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me, me and me

i then choose a holder




... for confirmation of you, you and you. When submitting raw, we all do that. But the question was, whose holder?



BTW, welcome to the boards.

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#367354 - 08/22/04 09:39 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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Wow, my first post!!!! Just want to say hi to everyone.
I left SGC 2 years ago due to a little fallout, but I guess I forgive them now
and I'm back....submitting wise anyways.

My top 3 are SGC, PSA, and GAI....in no particular order because I use
all 3. They get all my business. I don't consider BGS a real company.
They make me sick.
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#367355 - 08/23/04 07:26 AM Optimum Welcome back! [Re: optimumcards]
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OC >

Saw your post..Welcome or should I say Welcome back! Do you have any sets on the registry?
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#367356 - 08/23/04 08:46 AM Re: Optimum Welcome back! [Re: vayank]
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Thanks for the welcome. I'm slowly getting back with SGC. As far as the registry goes; I don't have anything yet, but I'm currently doing some cross-overs and we'll see in the near future. I mainly collect hockey and I guess that'll always be the slowest sport. Although, I did just get this back which I'm thrilled to death.
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#367357 - 08/24/04 09:47 AM Re: Optimum Welcome back! [Re: optimumcards]
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Welcome Back Optimim cards. That is a sweet hockey card and you should be proud of the grade. Hope to read more of your posts.
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#367358 - 03/06/05 08:34 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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#1 SGC
#2 who cares
#3 who cares

The only one that matters is the one that comes in first place.


Edited by inFluX (03/07/05 12:17 AM)

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#367359 - 03/27/06 09:38 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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1. Looks like PSA has the consistency

2. BVG / BGS seem to be gaining due to 'problems' with PSA business practices

3. SCD - but are the 'new guys' as trusted as the 'red circle' SCD?

more and more cards of the higher sought after type are turning up as PRO graded? holder has some issues, but are they for real?
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#367360 - 03/27/06 10:06 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: FoomMember]
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Quote:

1. Looks like PSA has the consistency

2. BVG / BGS seem to be gaining due to 'problems' with PSA business practices

3. SCD - but are the 'new guys' as trusted as the 'red circle' SCD?

more and more cards of the higher sought after type are turning up as PRO graded? holder has some issues, but are they for real?




1. PSA consitently grades a large volume of cards.
2. BGS is ahead of PSA in modern. I do not think any serious collector uses BVG or BCCG.
3. SCD is dead. The new guys are not SCD. Nobody should use anything but SGC, PSA, GAI or BGS. It just does not make sense.

For me, SGC is #1. If you really wanted to be open minded, someone could make a very valid argument for the following:

1. 1869-1947: SGC is king with PSA second.
2. 1948-1979: PSA is king with SGC second.
3. 1980-Today: BGS is king with PSA second.

I do like SGC's position of trust is the most rare and valuable cards. It is much easier to move from the 1869-1947 range to 1948-1979 then from 1980-present to 1869-1947.

The next five years in the grading industry will be very interesting.
1. Will GAI survive?
2. Will PSA continue to battle BGS in modern? Will it cost them the entire vintage market to SGC in keeping up this fight?
3. Will SGC make a strong mark in the 1948-1979 range?
4. Will SGC spend any efforts in the modern market?
5. Will BVG survive?
6. Will BCCG survive?
7. Will the modern collectors continue to grade cards?

Fun stuff, but I will stick with SGC. Chances are we will all have to resubmit to someone in our lifetime (new companies, new grading standards, new slabs etc.), so what matters to me right know is that I use someone I trust, as far as consistency and authentification is concerned.
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#367361 - 03/28/06 10:00 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: FYS]
aconte
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Chances are we will all have to resubmit to someone in our lifetime (new companies, new grading standards, new slabs etc.), so what matters to me right know is that I use someone I trust




Mike,

Your statement is dead-on to me!

It is hard to know where we will be long term (and I mean ten plus years)
with the graded card landscape. If you don't intend to sell for a long long time
it is important to have your cards graded with a company you have a lot of
faith and trust in. For me SGC is my number one choice. Ten, fifteen,
or twenty years from now we could be looking at a lot of different companies
with mergers or failed businesses. I know with my sets my cards are worth
what they are worth. Having them in their Sgc holders only adds to protecting
and validating their financial value. They are a proven leader in the industry!

aconte
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#367362 - 08/09/06 02:37 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: wrigleyfield]
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My 3 Favorites are:

BGS - only for newer cards
SGC - more for vintage
GAI - newer & vintage

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#367363 - 08/25/06 11:11 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: GREY ALIEN]
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1. SGC

2. GAI

3. PSA ( need a better holder)

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#367364 - 08/26/06 08:38 AM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: Rip]
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1. SGC
2. SGC
3. SGC

Honorable mention: SGC

BGS, as said many times, is a conflict of interest. They use their hold on the price guide market to boost their prices. How can you grade cards and then price the graded cards?

PSA consistantly make obvious mistakes that any novice collector can catch. Only thing keeping them upfloat is that they have always been backed by dealers. And I seriously doubt the dealers will bite the hand that feeds them no matter how the cards look. I've seen SGC 3's that looked 10x's better than a PSA 5. I pointed that out to a PSA supporter in which the auction had front and back scans of the SGC card, but didn't have a back scan of the PSA card. OF course, the PSA cards sold for more. I guess some people are as brainwashed and the ones who see Beckett as their commander in chief when it comes to prices.
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#367365 - 08/26/06 01:25 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: autobilia2]
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Funny you mention Beckett and their obvious conflict. I was browsing the Bay last week and looking at BVG cards and I could not believe that a particular card was being sold by Ebay user Beckettmedia....SO now they grade, price, and SELL....Beckett are losers and have been especially since they were bought out.


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1. SGC
2. SGC
3. SGC

Honorable mention: SGC

BGS, as said many times, is a conflict of interest. They use their hold on the price guide market to boost their prices. How can you grade cards and then price the graded cards?

PSA consistantly make obvious mistakes that any novice collector can catch. Only thing keeping them upfloat is that they have always been backed by dealers. And I seriously doubt the dealers will bite the hand that feeds them no matter how the cards look. I've seen SGC 3's that looked 10x's better than a PSA 5. I pointed that out to a PSA supporter in which the auction had front and back scans of the SGC card, but didn't have a back scan of the PSA card. OF course, the PSA cards sold for more. I guess some people are as brainwashed and the ones who see Beckett as their commander in chief when it comes to prices.


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#367366 - 08/29/06 10:43 PM Re: Who are your 3 favorite grading companys? [Re: ExPsaUser]
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Funny you mention Beckett and their obvious conflict. I was browsing the Bay last week and looking at BVG cards and I could not believe that a particular card was being sold by Ebay user Beckettmedia....SO now they grade, price, and SELL....Beckett are losers and have been especially since they were bought out.





They always sell their graded cards on Ebay. They do that for their users (almost like a grade and sell service).
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