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#380290 - 03/23/04 03:52 PM Future of SGC, opinions requested
64standup
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It's natural to tout SGC on these boards and bash PSA, as it’s a common phenomenon for the chaser to throw rocks at the leader. Think of fast food companies comparing themselves to McDonalds, yet McDonalds rarely mentions their competitors. On the CU boards they don’t necessarily berate other grading companies, but certainly play up the PSA brand. For the most part it's affiliation pride, for many it's about the $ invested with their grading company of choice.

I genuinely prefer SGC for the holders, tougher grading standards, and customer minded employees. However, I'm concerned that SGC will be one of those great concept companies that will fall by the wayside. One reason is due to the higher price points that PSA cards realize, they assumed market position early and have remained there. Another is that Beckett has assumed a #2 (maybe #1) position with modern cards. And for unopened packs, you go to GAI. Since there's an overly inflated and ridiculous concern with high-grade cards (and SGC grades tougher than PSA), many flock to the latter.

I decided to have three “vintage” OPC sets graded by SGC (two have yet to appear on the Registry for adding.) But it’s getting difficult to complete/upgrade those sets because cards for sale are usually in PSA. When I try to cross, they usually don’t due to SGC’s tougher standards (that or they just don’t “get it” regarding old OPCs)

In sum, I haven’t seen SGC rise in popularity with the same fervor that GAI and Beckett did. When there’s a listing for an SGC graded card, the seller (including me) will usually justify SGCs toughness, it’s almost as if we’re saying, “No, really, these cards are just as good if not better than PSA.” When will SGC really catch fire? The only area where I see evidence of this is with Tobacco cards. Any thoughts before I sink more investment with this company?

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#380291 - 03/23/04 04:52 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: 64standup]
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well you make some good points but i am w/ grillo on this smaller is better and thats what your going to get w/ sgc! if you are investing to sell on ebay then its a no brainer "go west young man" but if you collect to collect and enjoy this hobby then it shouldn't matter which holder its in.
i doubt that sgc is going to fall by the wayside and i see a company like gai doing that before sgc. i could be wrong psa could file chapter 11 tomorrow and guess what anybody thats got any cards there they are gone and the same goes for sgc,beckett and any other company in the world. i got screwed out of 5000 dollars from a law firm that filed chapter 11 and got nothing.
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#380292 - 03/23/04 05:03 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: jackstraw]
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I do not feel it is my place to tell you where and how to invest your money; but, I agree, if your happy with SGC why even consider leaving? With exception of high grade common cards, SGC graded cards (stars and vintage tobacco) do well compared to PSA. The PSA registry has many "mesmorized". People shelving out big bucks for overgraded worthless commons IMO.

If your into set collecting, team set collecting, or player set collecting, I think these sets in SGC holders would do well if you choose to sell in the future.

But if your're not planning to sell your collection (at least for a while), who knows what the demand for graded cards will be 10 years from now.
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#380293 - 03/23/04 05:16 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: 64standup]
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I think this will be SGC's year. Without question, they are a model of consistency in the sports card grading marketplace and their track record has shown that when they make an occasionally error, they make good on their guarantee.

I'm aware that SGC will be creating a new website to better serve collectors and I would continue to look for other positive enhancements that will help the company to grow.

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#380294 - 03/23/04 05:27 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: MW1]
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I think this will be SGC's year. Without question, they are a model of consistency in the sports card grading marketplace




my last submission aand all the "crack outs" that were 96's all 96ed again w/ the excepction of 1 so i would say they are consistent or i am real good at cracking out cards without damaging them or a little of both i am thinking about a how to video?
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#380295 - 03/23/04 05:41 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: jackstraw]
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I think they are doing a bang up job. Some of the best of gator's 81's now
reside in new holders. I haven't said to much about it because I have not
completed my team set. But I even showed them in Psa holders to Derek
Grady at the Fort show and he thought they were incredible and clean.
The crossover grades I received would suggest the same.

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#380296 - 03/24/04 05:27 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: jackstraw]
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if you are investing to sell on ebay then its a no brainer "go west young man" but if you collect to collect and enjoy this hobby then it shouldn't matter which holder its in.





I agree wholeheartedly. I'll restate a comment I posted in another thread that I think applies here as well.

There is a distinct difference in my mind between someone who "collects" and someone who "collects and sells". A collector/seller will, more than likey, go the grading company that he or she feels will provide the best return on their investment.

A collector, on the other hand, may choose to have a card encapsulated for preservation sake. This card may have some sort of sentimental value for the collector; like perhaps it was a card that he or she saved since childhood and was purchased at the first baseball game they attended. This person will more than likely weigh quality, value, and long term durability over resale value.

On a more personal note, I fall into the "collector" category and was recently exploring the various encapsulation services in the hopes of better perserving some cards that I've held onto since childhood.

I did wind up going with SGC; mostly because I like the look of their holders and because their current "modern special" allowed me to save quite a bit! I literally just send the cards out yesterday and already can't wait to get them back!

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#380297 - 03/24/04 05:27 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: aconte]
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Probably still a 3rd option behind PSA & GAI.

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#380298 - 03/24/04 05:33 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Basilone]
Basilone
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There is a distinct difference in my mind between someone who "collects" and someone who "collects and sells".




The fact is most "collectors" will sell at some point. If they do not...their next of kin will probably do so...so wouldn't you want them to get the most money they can?

Why burden them with the hassle of crossing over to PSA before selling them off?


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#380299 - 03/24/04 06:07 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Basilone]
aconte
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Why burden them with the task of crossing over to PSA before selling them off?




John,

You may find this hard to believe but not all Psa cards sell the best. I know..
I know.. this is a shock for you but it is a fact. There are other options. And
cards do sell in other holders. Have you been to a show lately? There have
been a few more dealers carrying Sgc graded cards. Even Wayne Varmer
broke down a carries a couple. The world will come to end for sure if I see
Greg B. of Legacy selling any.

You obviously think Psa is perfect. Good for you. I wonder how many more
times the Rose thread will get deleted. Buckwheat's was the latest. I got
a bet for you. I'll bet you that if you start a 63 Rose Rookie thread looking
for answers that it won't last 3 days. I'll send you one of my overgraded Psa
red man's if it does for free.

Anyhow, if you believe I am annoyed by your comments you are correct.
I got no problem you stating your opinion on where Sgc ranks but when you
throw out the sarcasm on the Sgc boards I'll respond back. On the Psa boards
those comments are fine. There you can get your three or four - "Great
comments John!" "That was great!" or "How TRUE!!!" from guys like carew4you.
But here I'm going to fill you in that there is a world outside of Psa as the
greatest. Just ask the guys on the net54 board....

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#380300 - 03/24/04 06:13 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Basilone]
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Even if you are right and SGC is a third option, is it still has the best product. Biggest is not always the best (I do believe that SGC should market their product more- thus increasing their market share- this company is a great story)

MW mentioned the new web site. I think that is a positive move for SGC. And the purchase of Superior by Greg Manning should increase SGC's exposure with far greater offerings of SGC graded cards in future auctions.

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#380301 - 03/24/04 06:39 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: KLL]
Basilone
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Aconte-

Jeez...just yesterday you said I had a great post on the PSA Boards!

Why such the change of heart?

Of course SGC cards sell...just for not as much (most of the time).

If you ever want to "dump" an overgraded PSA Redman my way...I would be more than willing to take it.

In regards to shows.....Im sure those SGC cards were moving all day long. We all know that shows are THE PLACE to buy graded cards.....you get the best value there. (cough)

Im looking at my Superior Catalog...and I do not see any SGC cards...whats up with that?

John

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#380302 - 03/24/04 06:42 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Basilone]
Basilone
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Correction:

Lots 220 & 239 have some graded SGC cards.


Aconte-at least you can recognize my sarcasm .....just do not get too upset.

ok?

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#380303 - 03/24/04 06:56 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Basilone]
aconte
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Aconte-at least you can recognize my sarcasm .....just do not get too upset.

ok?





Allright... Sorry! Just keep your boy carew in line.

I actually picked up a 58 Sgc 86 A.S. Frank Robinson for $20. Great deal
I think. It was a lot under the Psa 7 price. And I know what you are thinking...
But before you say it the same guy sold about 20-30 Psa 7 and 8 50's Bowman
football at 50% of Smr. He also blew out some 74 Topps graded by Psa
and Gai for crumbs. I hurried up and grabbed the Robby. He sold a Gil
Hodges 56 Sgc 84 cheap too. He was just blowing stuff out. It was mayhem at
the table. The only other thing I remember was that someone needed
a shower bad at that table. That is not an exaggeration.

aconte
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#380304 - 03/24/04 07:01 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: aconte]
Basilone
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Hmm..I wonder who needed a shower....

Glad you picked up so good deals at the show. FYI...I do not believe I have ever spoken with Carew privately.

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#380305 - 03/24/04 09:00 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Basilone]
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SGC is a great company, focused on serving the collector. SGC also provides a great opportunity for high end vintage guys like MW1, and pre-war collectors and dealers of all stripes.

If I were a PSA head, I would not churtle about GAI. I would venture to guess that the company run by former high profile PSA execs takes the lion share of their business from their former client base.
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#380306 - 03/24/04 10:23 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: vayank]
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I knew I would receive some insightful, thought-provoking comments from this board. Many good points, especially Dbeman's "collects" and someone who "collects and sells." From that standpoint, my decision becomes clearer.

I'm sometimes amazed (often amused) by this board's negative comments about PSA or the people who use/support it. Sometimes it's just tongue and cheek, sometimes not. Remember, when it gets too heated...easy does it, it's a hobby. I'm also at fault, because my temp seems to rise when I see long discussions and crazy bidding around high-grade modern cards. A "PSA 10 1986 Topps…": big deal, it's only 18 years ago and zillions were produced. On the one hand, I enjoy what I consider to be more difficult to find issues and there's little competition, no paying $800 for a 1971 Jim Longborg PSA 8 here. On the other, it's the card industry's misconception of what's valuable. There's a small gang of us vintage OPC and Venezuelan collectors who clamor that our cards don't receive the proper attention. But I guess what's worse is if everyone jumped on the bandwagon. A somewhat related example: a 1964 Venezuelan Kaline PSA 8 sold for over $800, but the Bench PSA 4 from the much tougher 1968 year, sold for $100. 1959 Mantle in PSA 2 - one of the Venezuelan Holy Grail cards - $350.) Again, value was placed on the holder.

The breath of knowledge of "vintage" cards is certainly better on this site. In regard to how bad PSA grades, remember, that given the sheer volume of cards graded by any company, probability suggests that errors are bound to happen. And after I started using a 10x magnifier, I now better see why some cards grade as they do.

In sum, SGC is the preferred collector grader of choice.
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#380307 - 03/24/04 12:35 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: vayank]
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"I would venture to guess that the company run by former high profile PSA executives takes the lions share of the business from their former client base"--Va Yank

I would make that bet as well for a number of reasons. Why?

1)First and foremost, the number of serious collectors and major dealers who are angry at PSA and in particular Joe Orlando continues to grow. Just this week I spoke to two of the best known dealers in the business who for different reasons but what I would call it inconsistent grading and arrogant response by the PSA Prez are beside themselves and resolving to give more of the business to others. Every time I go to a show, as a proportion of total graded cards I see more GAI and SGC cards.
On the other hand, Rocchi/Baker/Fisher of GAI are very personable who have been the face of PSA for years--people want to do business with these guys. I am scheduled to meet SGC management/graders soon and maybe I will feel just as good about them--we'll see. I would represent that many major collectors are now feeling the same way.

2)Consistency of grading. Mike Baker is widely thought of as the best grader in the business. The SGC folks are also highly thought of. With PSA, they have lost or let go experienced graders and it has been reported that in most cases that only one grader looks at a card before it is slabbed with the other person a verifier who looks at the card post-slabbing. Are we really supposed to believe that many cards actually are taken out of their slabs after a verifier looks at them.

3)Lets see what happens after GAI issues the registry and after their dealer meeting in Mexico. It has been long delayed but this could be something which accelerates the shift to GAI.

4)Baker/Rocchi are owners and have a huge vested interest in GAI's success. Joe Orlando is an employee.

People want to do business with people they like--its simple. I am much more inclined to do business with a dealer if I like him personally, everything else being roughly equal. With everything else becoming "equaller" every day, this will become an increasingly important issue. Yes--there is something called customer service.

Davalillo

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#380308 - 03/24/04 02:51 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Davalillo1]
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Dav...I just wanted to add about the GAI registry is that last time I spoke with Mike, the GAI registry was going to be unique in that a "no strings" registry would exist. What I mean is that any percentage of SGC and/or PSA (obviously including GAI) could be added. For example, SGC collectors could add their entire SGC sets to the GAI registry if they wish.

I do not know if this will be the final decision on Mike's and Steve's part, but as a minimum, I am almost sure a certain percentage of PSA/SGC cards in a GAI set will be able to be added. This works great for people like me who have mixed graded (but primarily GAI) sets, like my partial 59 topps baseball. Did you hear from same as well?


Edited by grilloj39 (03/24/04 02:54 PM)

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#380309 - 03/24/04 03:14 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: grilloj39]
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Grillo,

That is a very insightful tidbit on the GAI registry plans to allow for "registration" of another company's holder. I'm keen to understand if there's an authentication of that serial number by the other company or not? I'd surmise not, but want to confirm your detailed understanding thus far.

Even if it is not, it is a good marketing and business decision by GAI to allow this and I think it would be good for SGC to follow it, as a way to further enhance their registry "market share".

The other insightful tidbit was by MW1 about an expected SGC web re-launch / re-design. It is overdue and if positioned properly, could be the catalyst for the launch of a larger scale marketing plan.
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#380310 - 03/24/04 03:38 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: estang]
grilloj39
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estang...I am not sure of the details, nor if this is going to be the final decision on GAI's part...but I agree that it is a good marketing decision on their part. I am also interested (and would be pleased) if SGC would follow suit. Personally, I like the SGC website, I do not see where they need to make any changes to it, but that's must my take on it.
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#380311 - 03/24/04 06:02 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: grilloj39]
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A universal set registry would be great. Nothing worse than having a number cards of a set graded by one company, then finding a high-grade example from another. I'd like to see a nice little oligarchy between SGC, PSA and GAI. I too enjoy the SGC Registry, but it takes a very long time to add a set to the registry.
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#380312 - 03/24/04 06:31 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: grilloj39]
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grilloj39,

My understanding is that you will be able to imput any and all sets into the registry. For example, I could imput all my psa sets. There is a limited number of sets they will offer in the beginning. I presume you can also imput sgc cards but am not sure if it will accept other cards other than the big three.

Dav

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#380313 - 03/24/04 07:16 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Davalillo1]
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I have been told the same thing -- the site will be re-done. Some other exciting things are on tap, but I do not want to speak out of turn.

The SGC site is good as is, but so much more can be done. The pop report could be juiced up and more user friendly. The price guide needs to be kept current. Links to all SGC auctions on eBay or other auction sites. Dealer profiles. Collector profiles. Put a face on the SGC community.

I do not see how GA could do cert verification without having an agreement with SGC. They would have to tie into the SGC database, otherwise you would be depending on the honor system even if you have them enter the cert number.


Edited by vayank (03/24/04 07:20 PM)
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#380314 - 03/24/04 10:42 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: vayank]
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I do not see how GA could do cert verification without having an agreement with SGC. They would have to tie into the SGC database, otherwise you would be depending on the honor system even if you have them enter the cert number.



I also see this as a potential stumbling block to having a "universal" set registry.

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#380315 - 03/25/04 08:47 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: vayank]
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Getting back to my main point earlier--PSA's horrific customer service--I urge all of you to read my friend David Vargha's post today on the PSA Set Registry message board(that is if it isn't taken down). PSA had no more loyal customer than David--just read about how he has been treated by PSA.

If you are in the customer service business, you just cannot keep treating your customers with disdain or soon they will be ex-customers.

Davalillo

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#380316 - 03/25/04 09:30 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Davalillo1]
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In the event the thread gets pulled, here are David Vargha's comments:

Thursday March 25, 2004 7:44 AM



As promised, here is the result of two cards that I personally turned into PSA at the Hollywood Park show on February 7. The cards are both 1975 Topps "PSA 9's". They are #21 Rollie Fingers (30576111) and #644 Bill Fahey (11387596). Both of them have obvious stains on the front. Fahey's is a 1/8" square stain right by his head that looks like gum or adhesive. The Fingers card has a very noticEAble 1/8" thin, black "glob" on the right border. Under magnification, the three dimensionality of the stains is quite obvious and it is equally apparent that it was not a part of the original printing process.

I met Matt from PSA at the show and explained to him that I had purchased both of them in separate transactions on eBay. He looked at the cards and agreed that there was an error. He wrote me up a Submission form (#4140546 -- Zip Code 91303) and said that he was personally in charge of reviews like this. Nineteen days later, on February 26, I spoke with "Alisha" on the phone. She said that she didn't know why the submission form didn't show up in the database. She informed me that someone would get back to me no later than the next day.

A week passed without a return phone call. When I called back in the first week of March, I was told that Matt was the only one who could answer my questions but that he was not available, so a message would be left for him. When I failed to receive a call from him in over a week, I asked for his direct extension (x-150) and left him voice mail messages on three separate occasions. Not once did he return my call. It was last week on this board on the SPORTS CARDS & MEMORABILIA FORUM that I predicted that PSA would end up sending me back my cards with no explanation and no changes.

Sure enough, on March 24, the cards arrived back in their original holders without even a Post-It note saying, "You're screwed, buddy!" I've been a big supporter of PSA over the years and I still think that they are currently the best thing out there for graded cards, but this is a bunch of [!@#%^&^]! The total "value" of the cards (if in the correct condition) is only about $170. PSA has created far more ill will with me than they could have imagined. Perhaps Joe Orlando needs to spend more time making sure that his company provides good customer service, since that is all PSA has to offer -- a service.

I don't expect this thread to last long, so I am saving it on a Word doc. If anyone wants a copy after it gets pulled, you can e-mail me. If this thread is the final straw for CU and me, then so be it. If my posting privileges get revoked, then I want to take the time now to thank all of the board members here for the fun and shared information. Best wishes to all of you.

David
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#380317 - 03/25/04 05:43 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Davalillo1]
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I finally have fixed this so I can post now and I guess I will chime in. I am new by the way and I am interested in T206 and T213 cards. I have both of my sets in the registry if you want to take a look to see if there is anything you may have that I might want to buy. Anyhow grading is a service business more than anything else and there are a few observations I have between SGC and PSA from my own experiences when I was deciding who to use and what I have seen now.

1. I emailed a few questions to SGC and PSA about there services, prices etc.I got a response the next day from SGC and from PSA I got nothing until a couple weeks later.

2. When I submit cards to SGC they have always been checked in the day they are signed for at the post office. From what I see across the street in can be a few weeks. If you are that backed up have a few people put down the donuts and get moving.

3. This is what is most disturbing to me. Everytime an issue is posted on the PSA message boards by their own consumers it seems that all are disgruntled, revengeful, or have an agenda of there own. After awhile one would have to assume if it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck...It is a duck. Some complaints have to be legitimate. Everyone can't be disgruntled.

4. Being the largest by volume does not necessarily mean you are the best. A lawyer who sees more clients than anyone but loses all his cases is not the best in the business because he has the biggest case load.

Just my two cents. I hope a bullet proof vest is not needed to read any responses. and remember I will happily take those T213 off your hands.

Paul
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#380318 - 03/25/04 06:19 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: jdalymgd]
grilloj39
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Welcome Paul...I echo your thoughts. I was one of those "disgruntled" former PSA customers who switched to a different grader.

As a non-selling, collector-only, the only agenda I have at this point is to lower my golf score. btw: I collect vintage hockey and boxing cards. My only "modern" sets I am working on (albeit slowly) is a 1971 topps hockey and 1959 topps baseball.

I am a big John Daly fan.
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#380319 - 03/26/04 10:39 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: grilloj39]
64standup
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There's currently an interesting post on the CU board, "To Joe Orlando", that speaks to this very subject that I started on this thread. It was interesting to read PSA regulars bashing their own preferred brand.

I hope each of the big four further strengthens their specialty, e.g., GAI for packs, SGC for pre-WWII, BVG for modern, PSA for ? It's selfish, but I'd like to see SGC exit the modern card market, which would increase their reputation on what they do grade. In terms of CU, they are probably simply divesting right now - SMR, Superior Sports, because their core business is starting to suffer.
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#380320 - 03/26/04 11:51 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: 64standup]
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I think that dbeman makes some excellent points and I agree whole heartedly with them.

I can never tell if basilone is being sarcastic or if he is being genuine, but the quote below is a strange one...

The fact is most "collectors" will sell at some point. If they do not...their next of kin will probably do so...so wouldn't you want them to get the most money they can?

Why burden them with the hassle of crossing over to PSA before selling them off?


I am a collector -- the vast majority of the cards that I have are the cards that I love. I am completely unworried about what the future may bring...and I have cards in both SGC and PSA plastic. When I'm 6 feet under and cold, my expectation is that neither PSA nor SGC will be the top dog in graded cards. I have no clue if card grading will stand the test of time (I figure I'm good for another 35+ years...which is a whole lot longer than any of the grading companies have been around). My bet is that my next of kin will have to cross the cards over no matter what...so, again, I'm not worried.

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#380321 - 03/26/04 12:30 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: srs1a]
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Half joking..half serious.

I do not think any next of kin would think to cross over cards.....I think they would just sell them "as is" to a dealer for the ease of it.

I'm serious in stating that most all collectors will sell portions of their stuff at some point...who knows what the next 5 years will bring.

If the monetary aspect of your collection is no issue..then just save some money and put all your cards in screwdowns.

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#380322 - 03/26/04 01:08 PM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: Basilone]
aconte
Bid more or post more... tough one...


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Quote:

If the monetary aspect of your collection is no issue..then just save some money and put all your cards in screwdowns.





John,

Red man's look horrible in screw downs. They don't look that bad in holders
though especially the Sgc ones. It's only money!

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#380323 - 05/08/04 02:20 AM Re: Future of SGC, opinions requested [Re: 64standup]
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I'm thinking the same. I collect cards that slipped into packs that was suppose to have been pulled from production. I have a few I want to get SGC graded. Most are game used.
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