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#466379 - 06/10/04 12:49 PM Interesting cross-over result
srs1a
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I was recently looking through my storage boxes and stumbled upon a couple of PSA-8OC cards -- '73 and '74 Strike Out Leaders with Ryan/Carlton and Ryan/Seaver, respectively. At first, I thought that the '73 card was not OC at all -- the front looked fine....but the back was 90/10...so OC was the right call on that one. The'74 was marginal to PSA-8 centering standards -- probably a tad worse than 65/35. And, no, I don't know what ever possessed me to buy these cards.

So, I thought that I would do a cross-over experiment to see what SGC would do with these cards. I cracked them out and added included them in my most recent submission....results posted last night.

1973 SO Ldrs...was a PSA-8OC.....became an SGC-80 (6)
1974 SO Ldrs...was a PSA-8OC.....became an SGC-84 (7)

I was suprised that they whacked the one card so hard for the back-side centering...given that I do not believe that they have a formal policy on back centering...at least I can't find one.

I'll post scans of the cards when I get them back...but I thought that this was interesting given the word on the street concerning SGC and centering.

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#466380 - 06/11/04 03:10 PM Re: Interesting cross-over result [Re: srs1a]
shouldabeena10
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Wow, never would have guessed those results. That's always been one of my pet peeves with SGC... I've felt they were a little too lax on the centering issues. But it also shows they are a little tuffer on the corners too.

By any chance were these the older (serial #) PSA cards? An 8 to a 6 sounds like they might be.

Mike
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#466381 - 06/11/04 04:21 PM Re: Interesting cross-over result [Re: shouldabeena10]
srs1a
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Mike,

The serial numbers stated with a zero, so I guess that they'd classify as "old".

To tell you the truth, I don't really buy the story that "new" PSA cards are superior to "old" ones -- I have plenty of "old" ones that are screamers...but that's another story! . I'll post pics when I get a second.

Scott

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#466382 - 06/12/04 07:42 AM Re: Interesting cross-over result [Re: srs1a]
shouldabeena10
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Yea, I agree that not ALL "old serial numbers" are tainted.... but I think there was definately a period of time (somewhere back in the 0 series) where corners didn't seem to matter as much to PSA. I've just seen way too many examples over the years to trust the older cert numbers without a really good scan. I've got a few O series PSA 8's that I bought "sight unseen" back when I first started collecting again.... that would be hard pressed to pull a 6 if resubmitted today. It also seems (to me) like they were a lot more lenient on the star cards than the commons during that time frame. It could just be my imagination (or bad luck), etc.... but it's seems like many times when I see a PSA card on ebay that looks 2 full grades "over graded", that the cert number is in the old type style.
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#466383 - 06/14/04 08:21 PM Re: Interesting cross-over result [Re: shouldabeena10]
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It is clear that psa has tightened it's grading standards. Do you think they have improved in the area of detecting trimmed and altered cards?
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