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#79786 - 03/25/03 03:17 PM what's all this that phatty's been hearing?
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phatty doesn't know much about cards but phatty has been hearing about a major security breach involving some grading company's plasticine holders. phatty is wondering what happened. and what's this about a deadline? phatty promises to get to the bottom of things.
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#79787 - 03/27/03 12:10 PM phatty shows an acute knowledge of world cusine! [Re: Phatty]
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phatty has been reading mw1's posts about some scandal and phatty has an idea. before the guys at wiwag resealed all the psa holders, they should have put some salsa and guacamole in with the lower quality baseball cards. that way, all of the west coast collectors would have been distracted. phatty knows that mexican food is very big in southern california. where does phatty get his delightful inspiration from? sometimes phatty doesn't even know.
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#79788 - 03/27/03 07:52 PM phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: Phatty]
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phatty thinks he has found one of the resealed psa graded cards!

see for yourself

who says phatty doesn't know baseball cards?
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#79789 - 03/28/03 05:13 AM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: Phatty]
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why does phatty suspect that holder? srs1a see a little chip mark in the lower-right, and a little fog that goes up the right side of the seal. does phatty think that the chip mark was the spot where the holder was opened?

On the card itself, the centering is really marginal for an 8NQ IMHO -- I also wonder about the "bleed through" from the front to back -- is this OK for an 8? I know next to nothing about Goudeys except they sure look nice.

Again, I'll state that I think PSA handled the WIWAG situation very poorly. I think the subject of "suspicious looking holders" will be on the various message boards for years to come.

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#79790 - 03/28/03 08:27 AM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: srs1a]
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Even though Phatty, by his own admission, knows little about cards, I imagine that when he sees a trimmed card in a PSA 8 holder (as there seems to be an unlimited supply of trimmed and bleached cards in PSA holders), or a card so badly off-center without either the O.C. designation or a REALISTIC grade taking the centering into consideration, he suspects foul play.

PS: Color bleedthrough on '33 Gs is commonplace in ALL grades, and quite normal.
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#79791 - 03/28/03 01:07 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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Hammer, a scan isn't the most reliable way to tell if a card is trimmed or not...so, who knows if its been trimmed. I've seen plenty of cards that should have an OC, but don't. All of this has nothing to do with a "crack and replace" scam.
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#79792 - 03/29/03 12:53 AM phatty's neck hurts... [Re: srs1a]
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phatty has located another suspect card!

have a looksie!
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#79793 - 03/29/03 06:46 AM Re: phatty's neck hurts... [Re: Phatty]
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UGLY diamond cut and print dots ... !!!

That's no 9 ...


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#79794 - 03/29/03 09:28 PM phatty finds another suspicious psa card! [Re: deadlyembrace]
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phatty's got his magnifying glass out!

take a lookie-loo!

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#79795 - 03/30/03 05:57 AM Re: phatty finds another suspicious psa card! [Re: Phatty]
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Aconte thinks phatty should be a grader. Psa could definitely use you.
They might not be able to pay you in burgers though. I hear scrapple
is the food of choice. Aconte hopes Phatty likes scrapple. If not
Aconte would be sad. Aconte hates scrapple but likes to know
Phatty is full and not hungry. When Phatty is hungry he is not allowed
to Aconte's house. Phatty is messy and Aconte thinks sloppy people
are bad.

Can Phatty grade these? I have no burgers to pay you but Aconte
needs answers and Phatty needs to practice to earn scrapple.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2719427076&category=16271

Don't forget the short card on the right.

And another for Phatty!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2719427534&category=16271

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#79796 - 03/31/03 01:44 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: srs1a]
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You're kidding me, aren't you? The card has been hacked so severely that it's still SHRIEKING! Puh-LEASE tell me you're kidding, that is unless you're new to the hobby and really aren't feigning "selective blindness". I never said that the case was opened and the trimmed card replaced in its confines. The trimmed card was probably submitted worked up the wahzoo and PSA, either not knowing any better, or being blinded by the identity of the submittor, slabbed it as though it was a Virgin card. Cards can be cleaned, pressed, stretched, cut, rebuilt, in-painted, air-brushed, re-stenciled, borders shifted, bleached (ever see all the nice E145s in PSA holders that have card borders that are WHITER than the PSA label???...they were printed on CREAM color stock...why don't you see any of these 90% water, 10% clorox, bleach jobs sitting in SGC holders?)
What about the Cochrane that Phatty pointed out? Is THAT a PSA 8?

I've seen T206 Cobb portrait (red background) cards sitting in PSA 7 and 8 holders that have SNOW-WHITE borders, and the red ends of the portraiture actually closer to PINK than RED from the migrating bleach swabbed on the borders. I've seen T206 cards with portraiture LARGER than normal, perfect edges and the cards SIZED...meaning that the card was STRETCHED first, then whacked. I NEVER see these AFTERMARKET specials sitting in SGC holders, always in PSA, Pro, CTA, ASA, etc. holders. WAKE UP and use your cognitive powers of OBSERVATION. Michael Wentz spoke nothing but the truth in respect to these subjects. He KNOWS because of his incredible card knowledge and doubly incredible inventory that is as devoid of these nonsensical cards as any dealer in the hobby. The man can spot a card from across the room and tell you what was done, when, how, and WHO did it. Same case as Richard Simon with autographs. Probably the most talented autograph identification expert in his field.
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#79797 - 03/31/03 07:19 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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yaaaaaaaaawn

and again,

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

Aaaaaaah, I feel better now.




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#79798 - 03/31/03 07:24 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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wow Meth....you are even more paraniod then Nixon ever was.
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#79799 - 03/31/03 10:24 PM phatty the card connoisseur [Re: aconte]
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aconte, phatty's not sure if that's andy pafko or tiny timm on the right.

phatty's confused. are the really old cards worth more with stains or without stains?

phatty link 1

phatty link 2

phatty cannot help but think that some baseball cards are like old, expensive cheese. they get moldy after a few decades, but after you scrape all the mold off, it's nothing but fragrantly cultured milkfat underneath! phatty thinks his superior understanding of cheese and whey products gives him an edge in grading over other "uncultured" beginners.
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#79800 - 04/01/03 08:46 AM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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Allright Jammer, after a good night's sleep, I'll respond to your tirade.

The discussion started with the plump one declaring that he had found a re-sealed holder...nothing to do with a trimmed card, a bleached card, a stretched card, a scrapple stained card...but, a holder that had been tampered with.

I commented that there were some suspicious aspects to the holder, and that the card was OC. You seem to know a good bit about Goudeys and believe that the card is trimmed. OK, I have no reason to doubt you, but also have no experience with this issue, so cannot offer an opinion.

I have never doubted MW's expertise in all things cardboard, nor have I ever questioned SGC's skill in grading. Where did these choice tidbits come from?

I don't consider myself "new to the hobby" or "selectively blind", but thanks for the kind words.

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#79801 - 04/01/03 12:49 PM phatty at appomattox [Re: srs1a]
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phatty is sad

can't we all just get along and accept the fact that some companies like to put doo-doo in their holders?
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#79802 - 04/01/03 02:06 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: srs1a]
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SRS, you know NOTHING about altered cards. Couldn't recognize one, in a PSA holder or otherwise, if I smacked you across the face with one. Your collection, if you have one, must be rife with them. PARANOID?? I could tell you from across the street if a card is trimmed, painted, bleached, etc.. Same as M or B Wentz and a few other OBSERVANT/ANALYTICAL parties in the hobby can who have an extensive knowledge of the many processes that cards are subjected to. Do you have ANY idea how many PSA 5s and 6s have been bought by one LONGTIME restorer alone, and slightly tweaked just enough to be reslabbed a 6 or 7, then pushed through one of 5 or 6 "select" dealers that have the "mums the word" attitude? There's one restorer who makes a profitable living doing just that. Live in ignorance, SRS. Keep sleeping, while you SHOULD be learning.
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#79803 - 04/01/03 02:27 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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Hammer,

I don't think Srs1a is claiming to be the king of knowledge when it comes
to recognizing altered cards. I don't understand the hostility on your
part.

In reply to:

I could tell you from across the street if a card is trimmed, painted, bleached, etc..




I'm sure you are good. But not that good.

In reply to:

Same as M or B Wentz and a few other OBSERVANT/ANALYTICAL parties in the hobby can who have an extensive knowledge of the many processes that cards are subjected to




From my limited hobby and 'life' experiences I would not be surprised if
almost ANY ONE and I mean ANY ONE could be fooled at one point or
another. No one is perfect. Even the best make mistakes. Obviously, the
pros make very very few. I don't want to read you comments verbatim
but I just think that if you believe you could catch every altered card, you
are wrong.

Just my .02 cents.

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#79804 - 04/01/03 02:40 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: aconte]
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Hes very hostile when his manhood is threatened. Like Bear. His exploits in the field of trimming, bleaching,pressing,cutting,rubbing,fondling are legendary. Fighting with him is futile. Be warned.
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#79805 - 04/01/03 02:44 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: aconte]
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How do you know the depth of my knowledge? My limitations? Are you God?
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#79806 - 04/01/03 02:52 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: Dungeon]
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Someone threatened my manhood? In talking about baseballcard alteration? Are you a complete fool? My exploits? Is THIS your special day? April Fool's Day? Have you decided to come out of the closet and flaunt your stupidity on YOUR day. Is that it? Please elaborate on your total garbage post. Your assumptions that have nothing to do with what I've said, was said to me, or other aspects of my life that you have no clue on, that is unless I'm mistaken, and you're that pimple on my behind that's been "tailing" me for the past week. For someone that knows NOTHING about me, you're quite an expert on me, aren't you? How unfortunate that your expertise doesn't extend into cards. "Threatened my manhood"... you win! You're the "King of fools" today.
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#79807 - 04/01/03 03:00 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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You kill me Meth. Always enjoy your manly tirades. Your like one large ball of testosterone, rolling down a hill on to us unsuspecting villagers. Keep em coming.
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#79808 - 04/01/03 03:09 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: Dungeon]
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#79809 - 04/01/03 03:23 PM phatty's got a question...who's got answers? [Re: hammer]
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cards with brighter colors are worth more, right? is the same true for cards with extra printing? this is just a guess on phatty's part, but is that like extra credit?

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#79810 - 04/01/03 03:49 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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#79811 - 04/01/03 04:02 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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Thanks Homer, I really appreciate your wisdom. Thanks again, you're the best, hands down. Do you have a fan club?
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#79812 - 04/01/03 05:07 PM Re: phatty's got a question...who's got answers? [Re: Phatty]
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This looks like the RARE "pink" back variation.
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#79813 - 04/01/03 05:18 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: srs1a]
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Hey SRS, Impress me. What do you think about the corners on this card? Do you see anything unusual (or are you visually, as well a cognitively challenged?)?

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#79814 - 04/01/03 05:51 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: Dungeon]
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THIS is a card Forum?? This is back to being what it was. A desert, without MW1. And since SRS is wrestling with his last remaining brain cell, possibly YOU can make an observation about the 1952T Mantle that I included a link for, a few posts above.
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#79815 - 04/01/03 05:58 PM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: srs1a]
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Homer? Is that some desperate attempt at a clever quip? Yes, I do have a Fan Club. Would you care for me to have my secretary send you an application?
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#79816 - 04/01/03 06:13 PM phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: hammer]
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phatty sees a very mysterious corner on the bottom...left side of card. phatty wonders what happened to it?
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#79817 - 04/02/03 05:43 AM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: Phatty]
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I think I might have heard something, but perhaps it was just a gnat.

Sidesteping the chest-thumping, there is something interesting in this discussion. Apparently, there are items in all of the "linked" cards that are suspicious to the more learned members of this community. Confining the discussion to the PSA slabs...and, if one ignores the Red Mans (sorry aconte), the vast majority of the cards (all except one...the 30's hockey card) come from the "Baker era" at PSA (judging from the cert. number or the PSA hologram on the back). This has some interesting implications for his current employer.

aconte -- what's up with Redmans? They certainly seem to generate controversy among the grading companies -- given your experience and also that of rgold. hmmmmm








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#79818 - 04/02/03 08:45 AM Re: phatty the baseball card detective! [Re: srs1a]
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Srs1a,

Three of the cards are bad eights too me. The Slaughter is horrible. It
is in that mylar wrapping or whatever. I believe it is oversized but the corners
are not the greatest either. Two of the other have some bad tabs for
starters. I can't be certain but the corners don't look that great either.
I probably have Sgc 84's that have better corners.

As far as the Pafko, I at one point had the option to buy that and the
Slaughter. I had both cards in my possession for a while. The Pafko
card is shorter than most red man cards. It may be trimmed (except
if you ask Reza at Psa). The bottom tab on that card is horrible.
Overall, it is a terrible eight. It should be either a Psa 6/7 or noted
as n1 - evid of trimming. The funny part is I may bid on this card.
My guess is that flyliner28 will bid and I can not let it go cheap.
I'll throw a bid in to either let it go at a decent price or to bump up
my overall GPA on the Psa set registry.

I'm not sure what I should do. What do you think?

aconte
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